[ExI] atheists/religion

[William Flynn Wallace]

At some point, in my opinion, atheism will be seen, by scientists and the
academic community, as a ridiculous and antiquated viewpoint.  will

Not unless they change the epistemology of science.   A far better bet is
when the geneticists manage to eliminate superstitious behavior and false
correlation, religion as we know it will entirely disappear.  bill w


On Mon, Aug 3, 2020 at 1:14 PM Will Steinberg via extropy-chat <
extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org> wrote:

> I understand what Giulio means.  I think there is a strain in modern A for
> Atheism that sort of acts like we have the whole universe figured out.
> This lack of mystery or wonder then leads to ennui.
>
> Theism and agnosticism are approaching one another, especially with the
> singularity and simulation arguments, and as we learn more about unknown
> aspects of the universe.  At some point, in my opinion, atheism will be
> seen, by scientists and the academic community, as a ridiculous and
> antiquated viewpoint.
>
> On Mon, Aug 3, 2020 at 12:48 PM William Flynn Wallace via extropy-chat <
> extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org> wrote:
>
>> Consoled?  They want advice of the most serious kind.  That is what we
>> have been discussing:  just what principles do we have that supplant the
>> ones we originally got (most of us) from religion.  What are you going to
>> say to them?  The secular humanists are a good start as are the extropians
>> Spike mentioned.  And you can go a long way with the Golden Rule (no,
>> people, don't tell me the exceptions we all know about).  Also, I see in
>> the news a movement trying to get a monument to the Bill of Rights on the
>> Mall in D.C.  Support that if you can.  Bill of R is a good start for
>> principles,mostly of the rationalist kind.   I also think the UN has
>> something like a bill of rights.  bill w
>>
>> On Mon, Aug 3, 2020 at 11:13 AM SR Ballard via extropy-chat <
>> extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org> wrote:
>>
>>> When my grandpa dies, considering my uncle died last week, and someone
>>> tells me, “I feel so sorry for you.” I wouldn’t see that as patronizing. In
>>> the beforetimes it would probably be accompanied by a hug, which I don’t
>>> normally care for.
>>>
>>> Context makes it patronizing or not.
>>>
>>> If someone comes to you and says something like, “I’m an athiest and
>>> very happy with my life”, then of course it is patronizing. But at the same
>>> time if someone says something like, “I don’t believe in God anymore, how
>>> am I going to live my life?” Well, that’s different and they probably want
>>> to be consoled.
>>>
>>> SR Ballard
>>>
>>> On Aug 3, 2020, at 6:48 AM, John Clark via extropy-chat <
>>> extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org> wrote:
>>>
>>> On Mon, Aug 3, 2020 at 7:19 AM Dave Sill via extropy-chat <
>>> extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org> wrote:
>>>
>>> >> *I didn’t say anything negative about atheists. I said that I think
>>>>> they are sad, and therefore I feel sorry for them.*
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> >That's patronizing.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Regardless of the subject it's ALWAYS patronizing when somebody says "I
>>> feel so sorry for you", it's hypocritical too because hearing such a
>>> statement never makes anybody feel better, and it isn't said to express
>>> compassion it's said to express contempt.
>>>
>>>  John K Clark
>>>
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