[ExI] Human Warfare is learned behaviour - not evolutionary

William Flynn Wallace foozler83 at gmail.com
Thu Aug 20 17:04:55 UTC 2020

Selfishness and working together are not mutually exclusive at all.  First,
see to yourself, then join the group for hunting and gathering.  Is there
anyone out there who does not have a bit of larceny in their makeup?  If
so, hahahahaha!  Delusions.  What was stealing if not selfishness- getting
a bit more out of the harvest then deserved?  All these theories about what
happened 50K years ago.  Well, somebody has to get tenure, I understand
that, but why can't we just look at ourselves as we are and figure out
where to go from here?  If something is mostly genetic we'll have to work
harder to change it, that's all.  Very little outside of basic body
functions is so hardwired that we have little control over it.  Just have
to learn how, that's all.  Psychology is extremely young in terms of how
far we have to go.

bill w

On Thu, Aug 20, 2020 at 11:53 AM Bill Hibbard via extropy-chat <
extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org> wrote:

> I'm skeptical. Early humns needed a strong motive to leave
> Africa, where food was plentiful, and travel across and to
> much more difficult environments (deserts, the artic).
> I believe the motive to migrate was to escape warfare,
> especially raids between villages to capture women. I read
> one anthropologist who estimated that primitive men who
> killed had, on average, three times as many children as men
> who did not kill. I believe warfare exists among chimps.
> > Humans aren?t inherently selfish ? we?re actually hardwired to work
> together
> > August 20, 2020
> >
> > Author  Steve Taylor
> > Senior Lecturer in Psychology, Leeds Beckett University
> >
> > <
> https://theconversation.com/humans-arent-inherently-selfish-were-actually-hardwired-to-work-together-144145
> >
> > Quotes:
> > According to some estimates, around 15,000 years ago, the population
> > of Europe was only 29,000, and the population of the whole world was
> > less than half a million. With such small population densities, it
> > seems unlikely that prehistoric hunter-gatherer groups had to compete
> > against each other or had any need to develop ruthlessness and
> > competitiveness, or to go to war.
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