[ExI] the law

[William Flynn Wallace]

C'mon Spike, play fair.  Tell of a situation where you would break the law
because of a clash between it and your conscience.  In America now.   bill w

On Wed, Aug 26, 2020 at 5:47 PM spike jones via extropy-chat <
extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org> wrote:

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> *From:* SR Ballard <sen.otaku at gmail.com>
> *Sent:* Wednesday, August 26, 2020 3:31 PM
> *To:* spike at rainier66.com
> *Cc:* ExI chat list <extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org>
> *Subject:* Re: [ExI] the law
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> >The law doesn’t do that fortunately.
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> >…I’m so excited that you realize hypothetical situations are
> hypothetical. Answer the question. Would you, or would you not, participate
> in the genocide of the Jewish People?
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> To answer your question, law doesn’t do that.
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> >…Except when law does do that. Like in Germany, where it was the law…
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> Germany was a dictatorship at the time.  The US is not a dictatorship.
> Our system was set up to prevent that.  We saw that danger before Germany
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> Nothing that I recognize as law does that.
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> >…So if a law asks you to so something you abhor, it’s magically not a law
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> If it is an illegal law (contrary to the constitution) then it is not only
> not law, it is our duty as citizens to refuse.
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> >…Law can’t prevent anything. The law doesn’t prevent murder. It just
> makes things illegal…
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> Does it prevent any murder?  What percentage?
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> >…And yet they still give illegal orders to troops, and still send those
> same troops to military jail for refusing to follow them. Weird…
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> Example please?
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> >…If people didn’t treat it as an insane power-grab, then it wouldn’t have
> been like this. We never reacted this way to H1N1. …SR Ballard
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> SR that was perhaps one of the most insightful comments I have seen on the
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> Notice some things about covid-19, H1N1 and power grabbing: the federal
> government was criticized for doing this and that, and not doing this and
> that.  But the federal government has surprisingly little authority on
> these kinds of things.
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> For instance, POTUS does not have the authority to order citizens to wear
> masks, to shut down businesses, to declare what businesses are essential
> and which are not.  I see nothing in the constitution that would allow
> POTUS to do any of that.  There were never any laws passed, congress was
> busy with other matters in January 2020 if you recall.
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> Governors have authority to do more, and we saw a variety of approaches.
> The California governor mandated masks, but never passed a law.  I didn’t
> wear one outdoors.  I wore one in businesses, and still do.  Outdoors, I do
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> County health officials gave guidelines, which impacted school closures.
> Ours are still closed.
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> What was different this time is that a tragedy was used as an insane power
> grab.  Politics got in the way of science.  Things go badly when that
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> Interesting aside: there is a reason why I am watching the Sturgis rally.
> There are no politics involved, no way to leverage a political advantage.
> Shutting down Sturgis was not an option, any more than anyone can shut down
> any city.  The bikers were coming, regardless.  Governors couldn’t stop
> them.  The tribes couldn’t stop them.  So… no one takes responsibility but
> the individuals themselves.  No one to blame.
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> So… now we just watch the numbers and calculate.  So far so good.
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> spike
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