[ExI] very informative

[Anton Sherwood]

Dan Ust wrote
 >> I didn’t say nationalism was those [evil] things,
 >> but that it’s used to justify them.

On 2020-12-28 21:00, spike jones wrote:
 > It doesn't justify them.  These things you listed cannot be
 > justified, so it cannot legitimately be conflated with nationalism.

They're different because nationalism *can* be justified?  <derisive 
snort>  But that aside:

Are you really that ingenuous?  The point was that many people pretend 
(or persuade themselves) that the sanctity of the Nation does justify 
cruelties, and too many other people swallow it, even if you don't.


 >> Again, funny how folks who claim to be libertarians have no
 >> problem bowing to the entitlement programs argument to curtail
 >> freedom. Would you, again, be willing to curtain gun rights as long
 >> as there are medical entitlements?

Or the freedom to take physical risks for oneself?  (I assume that some 
here have read "With Folded Hands" ... or any column by Lenore Skenazy)

 > Gun rights are human rights.  It is based on the human right to
 > lethal self-defense.

(I'd say rather a right of *effective* self-defense, not limited by the 
possibility of incidental death, rather than a right to kill.  "Stopping 
power" is not a mere euphemism.)

 > Entitlements came later.  Those two cannot be conflated.  Conflating
 > those two leads to violations of human rights.

Remind me, who argued a moment ago that the existence of tax-based 
entitlements overrides freedom of movement and association?

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