[ExI] state of conflict technology

[William Flynn Wallace]

On Fri, Jan 10, 2020 at 11:15 AM Henry Rivera via extropy-chat <
extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org> wrote:

>
> It’s good to remember or recognize that most people who use neurochemicals
> that happen to be illegal where they live do not develop problems related
> to their use. This is prevalence data I’m taking about.
>
> For example, a 2008 publication citing 2005 national use data (USA) found
> among those who used these substances in the past year, the percent who met
> criteria for substance dependence aka addiction was...
> Heroin 45.4%
> Cocaine 35.3%
> Cannabis 9.7%
> Alcohol 4.9%
>
> This means 54.6% of heroin users aren’t addicts with significant
> impairment
>
> It all depends on who gets to define addiction, which can range VERY
widely, and there is usually, as here, no separation of those
physiologically addicted from those who are psychologically addicted. Those
are two very different animals.  No one to my knowledge has presented
evidence that there is any physiological addiction to cannabis. And cocaine
is iffy

 bill w



> or distress related to their use of that substance. That data blows most
> people’s minds and doesn’t fit the propaganda they’ve been fed. Let’s not
> over-blow the risks of these substances. In many cases, the problems caused
> by them being illegal are far worse than any harm cause by the substances.
> -Henry
>
>
> On Jan 10, 2020, at 8:25 AM, John Clark via extropy-chat <
> extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org> wrote:
>
> 
> On Thu, Jan 9, 2020 at 9:25 AM William Flynn Wallace via extropy-chat <
> extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org> wrote:
>
> > Scare tactics don't work.
>
>
> Well... there is such a thing as evolution in action, and if  "they would
> be dying by the millions with free access to prescription drugs and illegal
> drugs" that might cause even the most obtuse to reexamine the wisdom of
> their behavior. Besides, as a practical matter they already have free
> access to drugs, in 2017 in the USA alone 10,000 died from crystal meth,
> 14,000 died from cocaine, 15,000 died from heroin, 70,00 died from overuse
> of prescription drugs, 88,000 died from overuse of alcohol, and 480,000
> died from cigarettes. Regardless of if the law says a drug is legal or not
> it's clear that nobody fails to become a drug addict because they don't
> have access to drugs with one important exception, people who are
> physically unable to go into the street looking for drugs, people who
> SHOULD become drug addicts, people like terminal cancer patients.
>
> The war on drugs has done nothing but provide employment for DEA agents,
> foster corruption in the USA, destabilize countries in Central and South
> America and produce a multitude of refugees heading north, and cause
> millions of people to needlessly die in agony from cancer.
>
> > Maybe you and I could handle just about anything, but most (?) people
>> can't
>
>
> If in my last days I'm screaming in pain it would be of little consolation
> to be told my suffering is necessary to protect weaklings from themselves.
>
> John K Clark
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