[ExI] Mental Phenomena

William Flynn Wallace foozler83 at gmail.com
Sun Jan 19 15:40:44 UTC 2020

And I will respond that thinking that machines can have emotions and
consciousness is really way, way, far out - dreaming.    Read too much
scifi.  There is not one iota of evidence that such things are possible,
much less likely.  bill w

On Sat, Jan 18, 2020 at 7:12 PM Mike Dougherty via extropy-chat <
extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org> wrote:

> On Sat, Jan 18, 2020, 6:59 PM William Flynn Wallace via extropy-chat <
> extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org> wrote:
>> Giving you an answer that is intelligent is far from having an experience
>> like a human.  I think the default should be that only flesh and blood
>> creatures can have experiences and consciousness.  I don't see rows of 1s
>> and 0s as having anything other than an electrical charge in their memories.
> I'm having a difficult time imagining how you can be so bigoted over
> "flesh and blood" - it strikes me as something like racism despite having
> never even seen/heard of any other race.
> I don't see your own collection of ions as any less of a machine than the
> entire collection of ions that represent the state of "the internet" at any
> moment.   Just because you cannot relate to non-biological sentience
> doesn't mean it can't have whatever it is we're trying to call
> consciousness.
> Nagel asked what it's like to be a bat
> I once asked what it's like to be a .bat
> I would not require "flesh and blood" for those who have sufficient
> medical technology to lose this "consciousness" (however it is defined)
> probably also loses for them the rights/agency afforded to those regarded
> (without proof,  fwiw) as conscious.
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