[ExI] Jimmy 'the Greek' Snyder

William Flynn Wallace foozler83 at gmail.com
Sat Jun 6 23:26:01 UTC 2020


being crazy alone cannot result in long-term commitment against a person’s
will.  spike

In most states a judge and a psychiatrist, or psychologist, or sometimes
just an MD can get a person involuntarily incarcerated - but not for a long
time; that has to be determined after admission.  I saw a case where a man
was put in a mental hospital because he refused to have an appendectomy.
Not at all mentally ill.  So they operated and he died.  There are judges
who, given certain promises, can do anything they like.

bill w

On Sat, Jun 6, 2020 at 6:01 PM spike jones via extropy-chat <
extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org> wrote:

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> SR, how can we know?  It could be that in other countries they can legally
> incarcerate psychiatric patients and they do this out of sight.  We
> wouldn’t know if they were doing that.  In the US, we cannot hold
> psychiatric patients against their will unless they have committed a crime
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> That’s not true. Laws differ from state to state, but there are legal
> mechanisms to detain and treat people who present a serious risk to
> themselves or others due to mental illness. I don’t think there is anywhere
> in the world where someone with dementia or psychosis, for example, would
> be allowed to wander into traffic on the grounds that they have not been
> convicted of a crime.
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> Hi Stathis, this touches on a controversial subject.  There are emergency
> interventions, but in general being crazy alone cannot result in long-term
> commitment against a person’s will.  Wandering in traffic is a legal
> infraction, so they could be arrested for that, then held.
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> Dementia: oh dear what a morass is that question.  In our society, we
> regularly put AD patients in lockdown when the patient is clearly suffering
> but haven’t committed a crime.  An example case is where an AD sufferer
> starts tearing out a back patio with a crowbar and clearly hasn’t the
> capacity to build what she wants in its place.  Well, it isn’t a crime to
> wreck your own house.  It isn’t a crime to go wandering outdoors in one’s
> pajamas.  Another example, grandma doesn’t recognize the man she has been
> married to for 55 years and sometimes goes into a panic when he comes
> home.  Well… it’s his house too.  But shrieking for help isn’t a crime.
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> AD is a terrifying disease: the patient is often OK or mostly so in the
> morning, but they fade as the day progresses.
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> We often do the equivalent of incarceration for those patients.  They
> don’t want to be there, but have never committed a crime.
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> A burden I have long carried is the notion that AD patients would likely
> be better if they had mental stimulation, which we damn well do have the
> technology to provide.  I would invent that, but I suck.  I am hoping
> people who do not will invent that, and get on it quickly.  Make us some
> really good mental stimulation software, so we can fight back against
> Alzheimers.
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