[ExI] extropy-chat Digest, Vol 198, Issue 4
giulio at gmail.com
Fri Mar 6 08:17:45 UTC 2020
"Atheism has none of that. Religions give people reasons for being
horrible to others. Atheism doesn't."
Bullshit. In atheist regimes, people have been beaten, sent to gulags,
and murdered, for peaceful behaviors like attending an underground
church or wearing a cross. This is a FACT.
Let's agree to disagree.
On Thu, Mar 5, 2020 at 10:52 PM Ben Zaiboc via extropy-chat
<extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org> wrote:
> On Wed, Mar 4, 2020 at 4:08 AM Giulio Prisco via extropy-chat <extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org> wrote:
> I'm equating people who are violent, coercive, etc., and happen to be
> atheists, with with people who are violent, coercive, etc., and happen
> to be believers.
> If you insist on adding "because of their religion" to the second
> part, then I will insist on adding "because of their atheism" to the
> first part, because I really don't see any difference between these
> two totally symmetric cases.
> Then you are refusing to see it. The difference is blindingly obvlous. Religions have rules of behaviour, whole tomes explaining what kind of behaviour, dress, food, sexual practices, rituals, etc., are required or allowed (and which ones are 'sinful' and to be discouraged, in oneself and in others), and often horrifically graphic descriptions of what punishments await those who break the rules.
> Atheism has none of that. Religions give people reasons for being horrible to others. Atheism doesn't.
> Nobody is violent, coercive, etc., because they are atheists, because there is a complete absence of those rules of behaviour, no prescriptions, no concept of 'sin' etc.
> How can you possibly regard them as symmetric cases? They're as asymmetric as you can get!
> Who will regard gay people as misguided, sinful and in need of correction, if not outright punishment?
> Who will have reasons to do that? Where do those reasons come from?
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