[ExI] > Taiwan is standing strong

[Dylan Distasio]

+1.  Well said on all counts.

On Mon, Mar 16, 2020 at 5:27 PM Darin Sunley via extropy-chat <
extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org> wrote:

> The only way in which Trump can even remotely be said to be
> directly responsible for the government's response to covid is that he cut
> the CDC budget.
>
> This was not a uniquely Trumpian mistake. In all likelihood, given the
> same realities on the ground, any hypothetical Republican President [and
> many hypothetical Democrat Presidents] would have done the same. There is
> no meaningful sense in which the election result can be said to have
> contributed to the current health crisis.
>
> Doing so is not, in normal times, an act of particular political or
> practical significance. No one sounded meaningful alarm bells while it was
> happening, and it's entirely possible Trump didn't even think about it for
> any longer than it took to assess the general capability of the civil
> servant who made the recommendation, if even that.
>
> He does need to stop shooting his mouth off at press conferences, though.
> I understand what he's trying to do - reassure a worried nation with
> confidence and projected power. The problem is that's the wrong emotional
> posture. That works for military and geopolitical threats, but this is more
> of a case for calm measured leadership. And, to put it mildly, reassuring a
> worried nation with calm, measured leadership is *not* Trump's strong suit.
> At his best he projects power and confidence, and does so very effectively,
> but *not* precision, measure, or self-control. He should leave that to
> Pence, who is noticeably better at it.
>
> On Mon, Mar 16, 2020 at 1:43 PM spike jones via extropy-chat <
> extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org> wrote:
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>> *From:* extropy-chat <extropy-chat-bounces at lists.extropy.org> *On Behalf
>> Of *John Clark via extropy-chat
>> *Subject:* Re: [ExI] > Taiwan is standing strong
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>> On Mon, Mar 16, 2020 at 11:48 AM spike jones via extropy-chat <
>> extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org> wrote:
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>> *John do you see any significant difference between the two mainstream
>> parties*
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>> *>…GOOD GOD YES! *Except that the Republicans aren't mainstream anymore,
>> nowadays they're America's Fascist Party…
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>> Again with the deities.  Putting a different name on them doesn’t change
>> their spending habits.  Apparently we have two fascist parties now, for
>> they are both spending money like the allied troops are approaching from
>> all directions.
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>> >> I don’t accept your notion that borrowing can continue forever
>> either.
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>> >…Why not?
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>> Because it leads to the obvious next step: if we can borrow forever, why
>> do we pay taxes at all?  Just borrow it all.  Better yet, borrow more than
>> that, buy up things of lasting value, pay back never.
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>> >…It's worked fine for nearly 200 years because improved technology lead
>> to increasing productivity…
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>> Does the scheme fail when technology fails to keep increasing
>> productivity?  What if the markets for all that productivity fails?
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>> >…which means the dollar I borrow today can be paid back tomorrow with a
>> dollar that is easier for me to obtain…
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>> For YOU to obtain?  John didn’t you tell us you retired recently?  You do
>> not need to obtain anything.  The next generation, which is smaller and
>> earns less than you do must obtain those dollars to pay the debt we ran up
>> before we retired.
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>> >…Because the Democrats made a mistake and didn't take computer security
>> as seriously as they should have…
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>> So they were the ones who slew thousands?  Or is it up to millions?
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>> >…but if I foolishly forget to lock my front door that doesn't mean it's
>> OK for you to come in and steal everything I have…
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>> Previously you told us it was all just office gossip.  But before that it
>> somehow got whats-his-name elected which has slain thousands and is heading
>> for the millions.  So office gossip was stolen, which no one apparently
>> ever read (did you?  Neither did I) and somehow this influenced an election?
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>> Methinks there are some steps missing in your proof.
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>> >…What are you talking about, when Russia hacked the Democrats…
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>> How do we know the Russians did this?  The “evidence” cited by our FBI
>> was Russian comments inserted here and there.  One of the IT team was
>> Ukrainian and is fluent in Russian.  So we had a few Russian comments in a
>> pile of office gossip which no one ever read, when the party refused to
>> give the server to the FBI.  The FBI got it after the fact from
>> CloudStrike, an IT company headed by a Ukrainian who hates Russia with a
>> passion seldom seen.
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>> So I am back to: How do we know the Russians did this?
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>> >…Putin got something of incredible value, his boy in the White House…
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>> How do we know office gossip had anything to do with either boy?  Are we
>> not overlooking the perfectly obvious please?
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>> >…Assange's actions will result in the death of thousands and perhaps
>> millions of people and I stand by every word of that statement…
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>> *> **Have you any evidence of that notion?*
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>> >…On February 26 Trump said there were 15 cases of COVID-19 …
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>> {…Cutting a full paragraph having to do with covid, nothing to do with
>> Julian Assange.}
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>> >…Did Julian Assange have half a brain?
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>> Do we have a trace of evidence Assange had any role in spreading covid?
>> Do explain that please, starting with he published some office gossip, then
>> fill in some steps between that and covid slays thousands.
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>> >>…Assange … must have known nobody would perform more incompetently in a
>> crises than Donald Trump…
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>> *> Evidence please?  How would he know that?*
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>> >…Oh I don't know,... having less inflation adjusted money now then he
>> had decades ago when he was given money by his daddy, owning a casino and
>> failing to make money off of it, and 6 bankruptcies might have given him a
>> clue, or just listening to the man talk for 5 minutes…
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>> Assange’s father has casinos?
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>> John I am not asking about casinos, I am wanting to know how you get from
>> Julian Assange publishing office gossip to a virus slaying thousands.  This
>> is as dramatic a leap as Fermat writing that he had discovered a marvelous
>> proof but it was too large to fit in the margin.
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>> Are we not overlooking the perfectly obvious please?
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>> >…So... do you really think publishers are in the habit of publishing
>> anything and everything anybody sets before them?
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>> Online publishing is free.  The content is free.  The content was
>> political.  Of course Assange will publish everything he can get his paws
>> on.  That’s what he does.
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>> >>…And although it received far less publicity the fact is the
>> Republican National Committee was also hacked by Vladimir Putin's goons…
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>> *> **Evidence? *
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>> Russia Hacked 'Older' Republican Emails, FBI Director Says
>> <https://www.wired.com/2017/01/russia-hacked-older-republican-emails-fbi-director-says/>
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>> Republicans also hacked by Russia
>> <https://www.cnn.com/2017/01/10/politics/comey-republicans-hacked-russia/index.html>
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>> Did the Russians give it to Assange?  How do we know?
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>> >…I see nothing contradictory in it and this certainly wouldn't be the
>> first time careers and lives have been ruined by gossip …
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>>  > Trivial office gossip killed thousand or millions now?  Do break down
>> this line of reasoning step by step please,
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>> Step#1)Trivial office gossip provided by Julian Assange…
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>> Provided BY Julian Assange?  Did you mean TO Julian Assange?
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>> >… 53,650 voters in Pennsylvania, Wisconsin, and Michigan that Donald J
>> Trump was more moral than Hillary Clinton…
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>> I didn’t read any of the office gossip, I have no reason to think it had
>> anything to do with any particular politician’s moral standings.  John the
>> material is public.  Before you go past that step, do quote us something
>> that would indicate the office gossip was about anyone’s moral standings.
>> Failing that, work that step that 53,650 voters were influenced by office
>> gossip about a particular politician’s moral standings.  I just don’t see
>> it.
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>> >…Step#2) Trump won as a result… John K Clark
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>> OK we need a loooot more detail here.
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>> We need some indication that a far bigger factor was not the material
>> found on Carlos Danger’s laptop computer.
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>> >…Step #3)…
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>> Little point in going past here.  I am still wondering how office gossip
>> (I have never met anyone who claims to have read it) somehow influenced all
>> those voters in those three particular states to vote a certain way.
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>> I can’t think of how these office workers would have had any particular
>> knowledge of any particular candidate’s morals.  If they did, why didn’t
>> any of that material ever make it into the mainstream press?  Juicy gossip
>> sells like hotcakes on the internet.  I don’t recall any of that leaked
>> email ever being quoted.  Do you?  I would suppose it is still around
>> somewhere.
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>> In step 2, you theorize that office gossip that no one actually read or
>> even quoted, overturned an election, while overlooking the obvious: the
>> voters didn’t like the candidate and most voters did not vote for her.
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>> spike
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