[ExI] Is the ExI email list slowly dying out? And if so, what can be done to reverse such an outcome?

[Dan TheBookMan]

On Mon, Oct 19, 2020 at 9:15 AM Giulio Prisco via extropy-chat
<extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org> wrote:
> On Sun, Oct 18, 2020 at 8:16 PM Dan TheBookMan via extropy-chat
> <extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org> wrote:
>> Thanks for bringing this up. I've been aghast at the treatment of
>> gender issues here in particular, especially given that Extropianism
>> is supposed to be about improving the human condition. To me, that
>> would mean not embracing reactionary attitudes toward non-binary
>> people. In fact, it should be seeing how technology and science can
>> make all of us more flexible and open to experimentation -- even in
>> social and gender roles.
>
> In a live-and-let-live spirit, I wish all the best to non-binary
> people. But in the same spirit I'm very much against their current
> political sponsors, namely the totalitarian, thought-policing,
> identity-obsessed "woke" liberal left. Hearing from them that
> non-binary people are saints and the rest of us are worthless pieces
> of shit (and I do hear that all the time) is a deal-breaker.

I don't think one should fall for package-dealing here. If elites you
don't like believe X, that shouldn't mean that you must needs
disbelieve X.

Also, I don't see painting the 'rest of us' as 'worthless pieces of
shit' happening much -- or not much among serious people. I do see
people of a conservative bent, though, seeing any tolerance of
non-binary or LGBTQIA people as worshipping them. This seems just like
people who think saying 'Happy holidays!' is a war on Christmas. In
these cases, it's like any deviation from their views shaping all
public discourse is seen as an attack on all that's good in the world.

And witness here how some really did take the view that athletes
becomes trans merely to win contests or that males will use trans as a
cover to invade women's rest rooms to commit rape.

Add to this, non-binary people suffer all kinds of discrimination both
socially and legally. Extropians should be among the forefront of
people against such discrimination.

> So since
> I have mixed feelings I ignore the issue. I think this is a common
> reaction.

What's your mixed feeling here? Again, it seems like you're accepting
package-dealing of these things. It might be a common reaction to have
misgivings about non-binary gender, but it's also a common reaction to
think life extension and cryonics are goofy and even crackpot. Should
Extropians and transhumanists embrace the common take on things?

Regards,

Dan
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