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[John Grigg]

I grew up in Alaska, and we had a gregarious individual who always had a
booth at the state fair, where he would promote his organization that had
the goal of Alaska seceding from America, so it could be its own nation. My
stepfather would always take some time to argue with the guy, by saying
that without the American military to protect it, Alaska could never stay
free from Russia.



On Thu, Oct 22, 2020 at 1:22 PM Dan TheBookMan via extropy-chat <
extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org> wrote:

> On Thu, Oct 22, 2020 at 2:01 AM Will Steinberg via extropy-chat
> <extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org> wrote:
> > Imo some of the most racist people are up in the PNW.  There's some real
> > heavy white separatist shit up there, don't they want to secede the whole
> > PNW as an ethnostate?
>
> There are also Christian nationalists who want to secede. They're also
> centered in the Eastern part of the state. They're outside the box. I
> don't know if they're heirs to an earlier secessionist movement by the
> WAN from the 1980s. WAN wanted to grab part of the Midwest and
> California too on their way out. Of course, nothing came of it.
>
> There is one group in Eastern WA that wanted to secede from WA to
> create a state called Liberty. They say they're for limited
> government, but I don't have any direct contact with them. And they
> are outside the box. My fear would be they're simply against the
> Democrats and might, as I've noticed all too frequently,
> libertarian-leaning folks quickly morph into authoritarians once they
> get close to power.
>
> > And then you have left wing anarchists up there too, famous WTO
> protests, etc.
>
> Yes, there are. I would fancy myself a Left market anarchist, which I
> think is the form libertarianism should take if it's consistent. But
> there are many others around of various other stripes.
>
> There's the Cascadia movement, which is more Left wing and does want
> at least two states and one province of Canada to unite and form a
> nation. I see many Cascadia -- or Doug -- flags around. And I've
> talked to a few of them. Though I'm not against them or their
> secession per se, I think saddling it with a secession of two US
> states along with a Canadian province is like adding ever more
> obstacles to an already quixotic project. (In a similar vein, I had a
> tiny amount of contact with the Second Vermont Republic types and they
> had ideas of an Acadian secession that would involve Canadian
> provinces and several New England states -- along with an attempt at
> autarkism, which would probably doom their new nation to economic
> stagnation in the very unlikely event their secession were
> successful.)
>
> > Idk it seems like one hell of a powder keg in that part of the country
>
> Well, there have been clashes here and there, but there are more
> fireworks in Portland, OR now. Even there, much exaggeration. All
> these groups are tiny. Yes, anarchists in Seattle probably are fairly
> large compared to the rest of the nation, but they're still a tiny
> minority. As I pointed out, when CHAZ/CHOP was going on, and many
> other protests here, if you weren't in the immediate area, you
> wouldn't know about them -- unless you went online or watched the
> news.
>
> Yet I had people online (every last one of them MAGA-heads) tell me
> Seattle was a war zone and the whole town was going down the tubes.
> They didn't believe me when I said not a single protest here directly
> affected me and it was fairly easy to get around, go for a walk, get a
> coffee, do shopping, etc. without running into anything
> protest-related. In fact, the entire protest area of CHAZ/CHOP was a
> small section of one neighborhood. (Ditto for Portland, where the
> protest area was even smaller.)
>
> Regards,
>
> Dan
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