[ExI] The Extropian Decentralized Autonomous Organization

Sat Oct 31 02:04:34 UTC 2020

Hi JF,
How goes the DAO / Aragon stuff?  What are your plans?  How can I get
involved?
I'd love to learn more about how all that works.
Brent

On Wed, Oct 28, 2020 at 5:03 PM JF <monteluna at protonmail.com> wrote:

> Why not both?
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> I haven't seen issues with censoring on Aragon. It forms the DAO on chain.
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> Make a Canonizer? I'll get to work on Aragon. Experiment and see which one
> people gravitate too.
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> I'm only rushing because ETH gas fees are cheap right now. If we want to
> make something on Ethereum, now's the best time.
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> -------- Original Message --------
> On Oct 28, 2020, 6:23 PM, Brent Allsop < brent.allsop at gmail.com> wrote:
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> The video on the front page of canonizer.com is the best place to begin.
> Next, the white paper, "Amplifying the Wisdom of the Crowd,Building and
> Measuring for Expert and Moral Consensus
> <https://canonizer.com/files/2012_amplifying_final.pdf>" linked to on the
> side bar by James Carroll is a deep dive.
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> Aragon, like all the other cryptos that purportedly are "good at built in
> governance".  it just polarizes people, censors, and so on.  Identical to
> everything on the internet, from online surveys, to all modern voting
> systems.  it's all just censoring and polarization.
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> Consensus building and tracking, is what you need.  Canonizesr is the
> only system on the internet that builds consensus, and can scale, without
> censoring.
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> Anything I can do to help get the DAO started?
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> On Wed, Oct 28, 2020 at 4:13 PM JF via extropy-chat <
> extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org> wrote:
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>> Can you drop a link about Canonizer?
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>> I'm only familiar with Aragon, which can give you a liquid democracy. In
>> terms of your issue with governance, liquid democracy's always give people
>> a way to sell their tokens and move on. You pretty much can't force
>> consensus so token governance by liquid democracies just accepts this. My
>> experience in this area tells me you just have to have totally different
>> expectations than normal governances.
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>> Is anyone opposed to just spinning one up and seeing how it goes? I can
>> make one called "Extropian DAO" and we could go from there. If it's a dud,
>> then it's not that big of a deal.
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>> -------- Original Message --------
>> On Oct 28, 2020, 2:02 PM, Brent Allsop via extropy-chat <
>> extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org> wrote:
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>> I am definitely on board with this.  What are the next steps?  Also, in
>> my opinion, any DAO requires a consensus building system like we can do
>> with Canonizer.  Once you start collecting people for any project, you
>> discover differences of opinion which polarizes and fractures the
>> collective, before you even get started.  The camp tree structure in
>> Canonizer enables you to push these ideas (always less important that
>> what everyone agrees on) down into supporting sub camps, out of the way
>> of the consensus you are building in the super camp.
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>> Let’s brainstorm some of what we’d like to do and indicate who is on
>> board with sucvh ideas.  If we get started with a collection of ideas,
>> we could create a topic on canonizer, with a camp for each proposal, in
>> a way that people could rank which ones they’d like to support, and how,
>> and so on.  Here are a few things I’d like to do:
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>> 1. We need communicate to society, especially billionaires, that
>> achieving immortality and ability to redesign our bodies so we can
>> survive in space, without space suits, before we make significant
>> investments in space.  We need to have lots of cheap copies of
>> ourselves, specifically designed to survive in space, and on mars,
>> without space suits.
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>> 2. Promote cryonic preservation, and assistance programs to encourage
>> this.
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>> What other ideas do people have?  Anything more specific than just
>> convincing people of things?
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>> On Wed, Oct 28, 2020 at 3:27 AM John Grigg via extropy-chat <
>> extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org> wrote:
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>>> I want in!
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>>> I feel like I'm in an Oceans Eleven movie...  :  )
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>>> On Wed, Oct 28, 2020 at 6:26 AM Will Steinberg via extropy-chat <
>>> extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org> wrote:
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>>>> What if we make a novel cryptocurrency and fund ourselves with that?
>>>> Given the history of the list, it would make sense.
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>>>> On Tue, Oct 27, 2020, 3:11 PM Dave Sill via extropy-chat <
>>>> extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org> wrote:
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>>>>> On Thu, Oct 22, 2020 at 12:38 PM JF via extropy-chat <
>>>>> extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> As mentioned in a previous post, it would be interesting to put
>>>>>> together an Ex-DAO. I assume the DAO would fund certain missions that could
>>>>>> push the Extropian narrative globally for people who want to contribute and
>>>>>> have a voting stake in these narratives. Once created, it's totally up to
>>>>>> the DAO to do what it wants. Each user must stake to enter the DAO, and in
>>>>>> return, they receive voting rights. They may at any point burn their voting
>>>>>> rights as a percentage of the money in the current vault, so at any point,
>>>>>> you may leave if you don't like the direction of the DAO. Personally, I
>>>>>> think this would make this chat a bit more interesting and put some action
>>>>>> to some of the news topics we discuss. Maybe we start becoming part of the
>>>>>> news?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Is anyone actually interested in this? How much money could we
>>>>>> realistically raise? I have some experience in the setup of this and it
>>>>>> doesn't take much to put together.
>>>>>>
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>>>>> I'm interested. I just don't have a feel for what it would be used
>>>>> for. If it requires a lot of money to do anything useful, that would
>>>>> undoubtedly make it harder.
>>>>>
>>>>> -Dave
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