[ExI] simulation stat goofiness

Dylan Distasio interzone at gmail.com
Fri Sep 18 14:12:42 UTC 2020


I'm sure someone smarter than me has addressed this, but it seems obvious
to me that there is absolutely no chance we are in a simulation (ok, close
to none).  I don't believe the processing power exists to accurately
simulate the number of atoms we have access to, even on the immediate
planet, let alone the visible universe.  This isn't even considering
subatomic particles, momentum, particle interactions, and other important
pieces of information.

The simulation argument appears strikingly close to a religion to me.

On Fri, Sep 18, 2020 at 10:02 AM Will Steinberg via extropy-chat <
extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org> wrote:

> I have always thought there were a few issues with the simulation argument.
>
> One that I keep coming back to is the reality of the simulator's world
> itself.
>
> Let's say that K_0 is equal to the number of worlds that are simulated
> with fidelity in the neighborhood of the fidelity of ours.  This means
> that, comparing all the simulated worlds with the original world, there is
> a 1/K_0 chance that we are in the original world.  And we reject the null
> hypothesis that we are in a real world, as long as 1/K_0 is less than some
> chosen probability which we can call p_real.
>
> However, can't you make a similar argument for the world of the
> simulator?  How many worlds are there with a fidelity close to theirs?
> Well, I would say that, since it requires more processing power, the amount
> of worlds like that is less than K_0, call it K_1.  So comparing all the
> worlds like that to the world of their potential simulator, there is a
> 1/K_1 chance they are real.  This is still likely less than p_real.
>
> But if you keep applying this argument, eventually we reach a world which
> has so many levels of simulation in its simulations, that it's rare enough
> that their world is likely to be real.
>
> The next question is, what the hell is that world like?  Does that world
> simply have access to more processing power?  Why?
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