[ExI] DAOs, Futarchy, and the future of Extropianism

[JF]

Another important detail, it seems while I was writing this, a particular crypto writer wrote a compelling piece of information about the idea of a "cloud country".

https://1729.com/how-to-start-a-new-country/

This seems viable. In short, it amounts to starting decentralized organizations to manage budgets to buy "land" for the "cloud country". It could be very likely that these enclaves only allow people who are part of the community. There's nothing stopping this today.

As for some of the messages:

I have some experiences with DAOs, and using a particular system called [DAOHaus to create MolochDAOs](https://daohaus.club/), the answer to "how much money does it take" is "it's fairly negligible". The smart contract is just a system that allows users and mints new tokens based on a vote. Someone could put in $10K. Someone could put in $1. Obviously we could, and should, give more voting rights to people who put in a lot more money. MolochDAOs are also designed to allow people to "burn" their tokens at any point and leave. So if you do supply funding and you don't like the direction the group is going, by all means leave. The goal is to create an emergent organization, so signal dislike and spin off if you would want to.

To merge this in with the above, I think a feasible first step might be to collect some funding to possibly start an online community. I actually would really enjoy starting a new forum like a Disqus. From that, maybe we could fund renting physical locations for meetings? It seems like all the tech movement is heading into Miami, especially in the digital money scene. A forum does seem more feasible to help speed up actions.

We could technically do this now.

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On Sunday, April 11, 2021 9:21 AM, JF via extropy-chat <extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org> wrote:

> A few months ago I brought up the idea of creating a DAO like system to further the extropian goals. It seemed to garner some interest and I figured I would bring it up again since more and more crypto systems on Ethereum have started to use Zero-Knowledge Proof technology to bring the costs down, making this idea more viable.
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> To give some more context to people who may have not been in the space, maybe a rough history would suffice.
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> A few years ago, the creator of Ethereum, a decentralized smart contract system, began talking about the idea of prediction markets. Prediction markets are a way for participants to "bet" on specific outcomes of real world events. Things like weather, political outcomes, sports, wars, are all able to be predicted on. In a high level sense, it's an automated market for people to bet on events, but it aggregates the bets to publicly produce a probability of the event. Because of this, they become "predictive" engines that aggregate information of all market participants. Participants with more information are encouraged to take advantage of the arbitrage opportunity and "bet more" for the outcome they believe to win, which reveal more information.
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> Read More: https://augur.net/blog/prediction-markets
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> An interesting component was created as well in the form of the first DAOs. DAOs are Decentralized Autonomous Organizations, which in the most basic sense, are smart contracts which manage funds. They can only do actions when collective owners vote on outcomes to release funds, making the operation of capital management a decentralized organization operation rather than something owned by charter of 5-8 people in a C-level suite. Currently, many DAOs operate managing billions in the Ethereum blockchain (MakerDAO, Compound, etc.)
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> A new concept which was also hypothesized was the idea of a futarchy. A futarchy combines the idea of an organization with prediction markets, allowing a decentralized group of bettors to make decisions. Since it couples prediction markets, the systems are able to aggregate information and should over time, allow capital accrual for people that make good decisions for the organization.
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> Read More: https://blog.ethereum.org/2014/08/21/introduction-futarchy/
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> So with this, with ZKSync tech, DAOs and Prediction markets now have viable options. Unfortunately this wasn't really available as an option up until around the end of last year. Futarchies need a bit more application work before a decentralized, scalable option is available, but technically is viable.
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> With this being said, why aren't we using them? I mean this in a sense of the people in this mailing list. I certainly love the discussion, but we now have a cheap way to aggregate information and collect funds. We can completely run a DAO and actually speed up the actions this group does, rather than shooting emails back and forth. Ideas are great, but actions are far more tenable.
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