[ExI] covid or cold?

Tue Dec 28 19:02:13 UTC 2021

I  have tons of weight control advice, based on Pavlov and others.  Quick
tips:

Do not eat at fixed times.  This sets up a conditioned response to feel
hungry at those times.  Get rid of the conditioning by eating at
irregular intervals.  At first you may have to just gut it out and not eat
when hungry.  I never said dieting was easy.    Plenty more advice
available.  I have read several books on nutrition and dieting since the
60s along with the psych studies.  I lost 40 pounds once by my methods.
bill w

On Tue, Dec 28, 2021 at 12:33 PM Adrian Tymes via extropy-chat <
extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org> wrote:

> That doesn't actually work in practice.  If you simply try to eat less
> food, but your body is used to more, you get hungry.  Literally, starvation
> instincts kick in, overriding mindfulness and will.  I say "instincts" here
> to note this is akin to not flinching when picking up something hot, or not
> blinking when you see something about to hit your eye: those who claim it
> is a matter of mere willpower are wrong, based on the evidence.
>
> Now, there are ways that one can adjust one's body to result in eating
> less calories (the important thing), and perhaps result in eating less
> food.  But "simply eat less", as the direct causative action, is not one of
> them.
>
> One example of something that can work: fill one's stomach with
> lower-calorie-dense substances, such as fruit and water, to put in conflict
> the "you need more calories" and "your stomach is full to near-vomiting"
> systems.  (Emphasis: NEAR vomiting, as in "if you have one or two more
> bites" level.  Going past this to where you actually vomit is not healthy.
> Stop when you're full enough that you can stop.)  Since it is physically
> possible to not take in more calories but it is not physically possible to
> put more things in one's stomach in this state, the latter wins out.  If
> this keeps happening, the body eventually gets used to less calories.
> (Don't do water-only, because the body still needs some calories and
> nutrients.  Fruits and vegetables aren't the only possibility but they are
> the simplest in most cases.)  Once the body is used to fewer calories, then
> lower amounts of higher-calorie-dense foods may satisfy the "do you have
> enough calories" system.  One still needs to get used to eating less (or
> just get used to filling up on things like fruit and water on a
> regular basis), but this can be done after ratcheting down the alarms and
> instincts that press one to eat more.
>
> On Tue, Dec 28, 2021 at 9:17 AM Max More via extropy-chat <
> extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org> wrote:
>
>> "If only you could reduce the risk of obesity by 90% at the cost of $20
>> and a sore arm for a day."
>>
>> You can reduce the risk of obesity at a cost of zero. Actually, the cost
>> is negative, since it involves buying less food.
>>
>> The difficulty is not the cost, it's the mindfulness and incentive to do
>> it.
>>
>> --Max
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>> *From:* extropy-chat <extropy-chat-bounces at lists.extropy.org> on behalf
>> of Stathis Papaioannou via extropy-chat <extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org>
>> *Sent:* Friday, December 24, 2021 3:27 PM
>> *To:* ExI chat list <extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org>
>> *Cc:* Stathis Papaioannou <stathisp at gmail.com>
>> *Subject:* Re: [ExI] covid or cold?
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sat, 25 Dec 2021 at 07:39, Will Steinberg via extropy-chat <
>> extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org> wrote:
>>
>> For me personally it's far far less than 1% (I'm 29 and healthy,) for
>> young healthy people it's more likely they die of a car accident or drug
>> overdose.
>>
>> Also, why does nobody in the mainstream ever talk about obesity with
>> this?  Pretty much every young person you see dying from this is obese.
>> Yet of course we have this medically dubious "healthy at every size"
>> movement that makes people feel good mentally at the expense of their
>> physical health.  People have no issue criticizing drug addicts but
>> criticizing food addition is a no-no, apparently.  Losing weight probably
>> increases chances of survival more than a vax does
>>
>>
>> If only you could reduce the risk of obesity by 90% at the cost of $20
>> and a sore arm for a day.
>>
>> On Fri, Dec 24, 2021, 3:08 PM Stathis Papaioannou via extropy-chat <
>> extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org> wrote:
>>
>>
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>> On Sat, 25 Dec 2021 at 06:40, Will Steinberg via extropy-chat <
>> extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org> wrote:
>>
>> Nah, if you really get deep into internet communities you'll see even the
>> vaxlovers are getting tired of this shit.
>>
>> I'm unvaxed and I still haven't gotten it.  I get enough sleep, don't
>> stress much, and practice caloric restriction.  Same for my partner
>>
>>
>> Most people haven’t had COVID and most people who have had COVID did not
>> get sick enough to end up in hospital. No-one denies that. But people don’t
>> like the idea that there is a 1% chance of dying from it, even though it
>> means there is a 99% chance of not dying from it. If 1% of planes crashed
>> and killed their passengers, even the healthy ones who eat well and
>> exercise, air travel would not be popular.
>>
>> On Fri, Dec 24, 2021, 12:34 AM Rafal Smigrodzki via extropy-chat <
>> extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org> wrote:
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>> On Fri, Dec 24, 2021 at 12:05 AM spike jones via extropy-chat <
>> extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> I keep hearing that the omicron variant looks and acts like a common
>> cold.  If so, this is exactly what was predicted: eventually a killer-flu
>> mutates into something more contagious and more benign.  What we still
>> don’t know is if one brand of covid protects the catcher from the other
>> brands.  If it does, then omicron is the end of this tragic nightmare.
>>
>>
>> ### There is immunological cross-reactivity between various Covid
>> variants, so an infection provides some protection against reinfection by
>> multiple other variants. However, the tragic nightmare is a godsend to
>> poseurs and power-grabbers, so I wouldn't be too optimistic that a mere
>> lack of lethality will end it ;(
>>
>> Rafal
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