[ExI] addition to RaDVaC vaccine summit extropy-chat Digest, Vol 212, Issue 32

Sun May 23 17:56:33 UTC 2021

To elaborate, speakers include Professors of Economics Andrew Lo (MIT) and
Alex Tabbarok (George Mason University), Bioethicists Nir Eyal (Rutgers
University) and Ben Hurlbut (Arizona State University), open-science &
regulatory researcher Milena Leybold (University of Innsbruck), Jutta
Paulus, pharmacist and Member of European Parliament from Germany (Green
Party), and Harvard Professor George Church.

And thank you everyone in advance for reposting on social media or other
relevant chat groups!

Ranjan
Co-founder, RaDVaC
https://radvac.org/

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>    1. Re: towing an iceberg (spike at rainier66.com)
>    2. Re: towing an iceberg (Stuart LaForge)
>    3. RRe:  towing an iceberg (Ben)
>    4. Re: towing an iceberg (William Flynn Wallace)
>    5. Re: towing an iceberg (spike at rainier66.com)
>    6. Re: towing an iceberg (spike at rainier66.com)
>    7. Re: towing an iceberg (Anton Sherwood)
>    8. Re: bond. james bond. (John Grigg)
>    9. Re: restoration-ready (spike at rainier66.com)
>   10. Free half-day summit on open-source vaccine dev, economics,
>       regulation, challenge trials (Ranjan Ahuja)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Fri, 21 May 2021 13:02:07 -0700
> From: <spike at rainier66.com>
> To: "'ExI chat list'" <extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org>
> Cc: "'Cc:'" <spike at rainier66.com>
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> William Flynn Wallace via extropy-chat
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> Cc: William Flynn Wallace <foozler83 at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [ExI] towing an iceberg
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> Why isn't more money spent on desalination tech?  bill w
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> That technology is mature: we know how to do it.  The problem is that it
> takes a lotta land space and capital if you go the solar route, or a lot of
> energy if you go with reverse osmosis.  If we can somehow harvest ice, we
> use otherwise wasted solar energy that evaporated water out of the sea.
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> From: Stuart LaForge <avant at sollegro.com>
> To: extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org
> Subject: Re: [ExI] towing an iceberg
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> Quoting BillK:
> > On Fri, 21 May 2021 at 19:25, spike jones via extropy-chat
> > <extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org> wrote:
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> >> Cool!  A few days ago, this huge iceberg was formed when A-76 broke
> >> off the Ronne Ice Shelf.
> >>
> >> A-76 has been measured at about 4300 square km, and since about 10%
> >> of an iceberg is above water, then the volume of ice is the product
> >> of square km of visible ice times the average altitude above sea
> >> level of the surface of the ice times ten.
> >>
> >> Sooo? by that reckoning, this is a bunch of cubic km of ice.
> >>
> >> California (and the US in general) is going into another damn
> >> drought.  What if? we could somehow haul A-76 up and park it about
> >> 50 km out at sea, then build a pipeline out to it which would bring
> >> fresh water from the melting ice over to the mainland.
> >>
> >> OK so how the heck do we haul a chunk of ice that size?
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> >
> > You can't tow an iceberg that big!  There is already a lot of
> > expertise in this. Smaller icebergs have to be towed all the time in
> > the Arctic to move them away from oil rigs. 70 to 80 a year.
> > A recent study is here:
> > <
> https://www.whoi.edu/news-insights/content/can-icebergs-be-towed-to-water-starved-cities/
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> So since the iceberg is so big, how about having some engineers set up
> camp on it, drill holes all over it, put masts and rigging on the
> iceberg and use a bunch of sails to move the iceberg like a giant
> ship? Once the iceberg makes it to warmer latitudes, then one could
> install Stirling heat exchange engines to power ship screws to propel
> the iceberg. Just some thoughts, not a boat expert or anything.
>
> Stuart LaForge
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> Message: 3
> Date: Fri, 21 May 2021 22:45:03 +0100
> From: Ben <ben at zaiboc.net>
> To: extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org
> Subject: [ExI] RRe:  towing an iceberg
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> I wonder if anyone has done the calculations on fitting an iceberg with
> sails?
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> Ben Zaiboc
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> Message: 4
> Date: Fri, 21 May 2021 17:08:08 -0500
> From: William Flynn Wallace <foozler83 at gmail.com>
> To: ExI chat list <extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org>,
>         extropolis at googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: [ExI] towing an iceberg
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> To take Southern California as an example of a place that needs a lot of
> water, just about all of it is a desert.  I simply cannot imagine not
> having enough land there even if you needed square miles of it, which you
> probably do.  I do like towing ice which I have seen in several books.  Are
> you saying that reverse osmosis is the last, the only tech that could do
> this job?  No more ideas needed?  In fact, could you say that about
> anything else?  That no further improvement can exist?
>
> "Oh we've got land, lots of land, with the starry skies above - don't fence
> me in."
>
> bill w
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> On Fri, May 21, 2021 at 3:06 PM spike jones via extropy-chat <
> extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org> wrote:
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> > *From:* extropy-chat <extropy-chat-bounces at lists.extropy.org> *On Behalf
> > Of *William Flynn Wallace via extropy-chat
> > *Sent:* Friday, May 21, 2021 12:44 PM
> > *To:* ExI chat list <extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org>
> > *Cc:* William Flynn Wallace <foozler83 at gmail.com>
> > *Subject:* Re: [ExI] towing an iceberg
> >
> >
> >
> > Why isn't more money spent on desalination tech?  bill w
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> >
> >
> >
> >
> > That technology is mature: we know how to do it.  The problem is that it
> > takes a lotta land space and capital if you go the solar route, or a lot
> of
> > energy if you go with reverse osmosis.  If we can somehow harvest ice, we
> > use otherwise wasted solar energy that evaporated water out of the sea.
> >
> >
> >
> > spike
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> >
> > _______________________________________________
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> From: <spike at rainier66.com>
> To: "'ExI chat list'" <extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org>
> Cc: "'Cc:'" <spike at rainier66.com>
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> > On Behalf Of Stuart ...
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> >...So since the iceberg is so big, how about having some engineers set up
> camp on it, drill holes all over it, put masts and rigging on the iceberg
> and use a bunch of sails to move the iceberg like a giant ship? Once the
> iceberg makes it to warmer latitudes, then one could install Stirling heat
> exchange engines to power ship screws to propel the iceberg. Just some
> thoughts, not a boat expert or anything.
>
> Stuart LaForge
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> _______________________________________________
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> The force that could be exerted by the wind is tiny compared to even slight
> current.  That iceberg is going go wherever the water tells it to.  I don't
> know if anchoring to the bottom of the sea and pulling it with thousands of
> cables will exert anywhere near enough force.
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> spike
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> Message: 6
> Date: Fri, 21 May 2021 16:28:54 -0700
> From: <spike at rainier66.com>
> To: "'ExI chat list'" <extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org>
> Cc: "'Cc:'" <spike at rainier66.com>
> Subject: Re: [ExI] towing an iceberg
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> From: extropy-chat <extropy-chat-bounces at lists.extropy.org> On Behalf Of
> William Flynn Wallace via extropy-chat
> Sent: Friday, May 21, 2021 3:08 PM
> To: ExI chat list <extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org>;
> extropolis at googlegroups.com
> Cc: William Flynn Wallace <foozler83 at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [ExI] towing an iceberg
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> >?To take Southern California as an example of a place that needs a lot of
> water, just about all of it is a desert.  I simply cannot imagine not
> having enough land there even if you needed square miles of it, which you
> probably do?
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> With desalination, the plants need to be near the coast.  Seawater is
> taken in, put in the solar heated containers, some water is extracted, then
> the remainder is returned to the sea slightly more saline than before.  If
> the plant is too far inland, it requires too much energy to lift the
> seawater.
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> >?  I do like towing ice which I have seen in several books.  Are you
> saying that reverse osmosis is the last, the only tech that could do this
> job?  No more ideas needed?  In fact, could you say that about anything
> else?  That no further improvement can exist?
>
>
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> You could use nuclear-powered distillation but that hasn?t proven
> economically viable anywhere.
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> >?"Oh we've got land, lots of land, with the starry skies above - don't
> fence me in."
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> bill w
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> Land close to the sea is very pricy stuff and very limited.
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> Date: Sat, 22 May 2021 15:25:22 -0700
> From: Anton Sherwood <bronto at pobox.com>
> To: spike jones via extropy-chat <extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org>
> Subject: Re: [ExI] towing an iceberg
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> On 2021-5-21 12:18, spike jones via extropy-chat wrote:
> > We bring in fresh water from a melting iceberg that we managed to
> > somehow herd into location, use that to irrigate otherwise barren land
> > in California, those areas blossom, going from arid wasteland into
> > verdant carbon-sequestering biomass [....]
>
> A fantasy of mine is to haul icebergs from beyond the Belt and drop
> chunks thereof in lonely places ...
>
> --
> *\\*  Anton Sherwood  *\\*  www.bendwavy.org
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> Message: 8
> Date: Sat, 22 May 2021 23:30:12 -0400
> From: John Grigg <possiblepaths2050 at gmail.com>
> To: ExI chat list <extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org>
> Subject: Re: [ExI] bond. james bond.
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> That better be in the next Bond film!
>
> John
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> On Mon, May 3, 2021, 9:53 PM Dan TheBookMan via extropy-chat <
> extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org> wrote:
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> > On May 3, 2021, at 6:41 PM, spike jones via extropy-chat <
> > extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org> wrote:
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> > If this isn?t the coolest thing you ever saw, you have seen some damn
> cool
> > stuff.
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> >
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> > https://twitter.com/i/status/1389285493439860744
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> > spike
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> > It?s whisper quiet.
> >
> > What?
> >
> > It?s whisper quiet!
> >
> > I still can?t hear you. Let me shut off this thing. No, what was that?
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > Dan
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> Date: Sat, 22 May 2021 20:41:01 -0700
> From: <spike at rainier66.com>
> To: "'Cc:'" <spike at rainier66.com>, "'ExI chat list'"
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> From: John Grigg <possiblepaths2050 at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [ExI] restoration-ready
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> >?Spike, is this a cryonics joke? ;  )
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> John
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> Hi John, no the link to cryonics never crossed my mind.  I expect that
> cryonics will eventually work, but it is a long ways off.  The recent
> qualia discussion has me deep-thinking it however, for I am pondering what
> it would be like to be an upload which can think but cannot really feel.
> Perhaps we would get a situation where we came back in a sense but it would
> be as far from the original experience as a #1 value meal in the park vs a
> #1 value meal in the blender after 2 minutes on frappe: same stuff ends up
> in the stomach, but the experience is just different somehow.
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> As you may know, I like mechanical things, cars, motorcycles and such,
> particularly quirky old ones.  I recently thought of one of the old suicide
> door Lincolns:
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> There is a local one for sale, a 65 model, and it even has the thirsty
> (but entertaining) 462 inch V8 whopper.  That would be fun to rumble around
> town in that.
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> I remember how to tweak carburetors and set ignition points, but I don?t
> necessarily want to do it, and don?t want to hire a feller to do it either.
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> I didn?t buy it.
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> On Sun, May 9, 2021, 3:09 PM spike jones via extropy-chat <
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> I am a fan of the pre-war Chrysler Windsor, so I did a Google search,
> found there was one available locally.
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> The ad said it was all original, ready for restoration:
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> spike
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> Date: Sun, 23 May 2021 00:14:44 -0400
> From: Ranjan Ahuja <rxahuja at gmail.com>
> To: extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org
> Subject: [ExI] Free half-day summit on open-source vaccine dev,
>         economics, regulation, challenge trials
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> Concerned global citizens: Since the pandemic is at such a critical phase
> currently, RaDVaC (Rapid Deployment Vaccine Collaborative) decided to
> quickly organize a short summit, which will also serve as a "brainstorming
> session" about open-source vaccines and new economic models of vaccine
> deployment, along with new ways of trialing vaccines (in particular,
> challenge trials). It is on Tuesday, in two days.
>
> Participation/attendance is free, please feel free to disseminate to
> anywhere and anyone:
>
> https://www.eventbrite.com/e/unlocking-vaccines-open-source-vaccine-summit-2021-hosted-by-radvac-tickets-152932247469
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> Best regards,
> Ranjan
> Co-founder, RaDVaC
> https://radvac.org/
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