[ExI] Qualia are not in the matrix (was Re: The Matrix: Resurrections trailer)

Stathis Papaioannou stathisp at gmail.com
Sun Sep 12 04:47:18 UTC 2021

On Sun, 12 Sep 2021 at 14:05, Brent Allsop via extropy-chat <
extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org> wrote:

> Hi Stathis,
> On Sat, Sep 11, 2021 at 9:50 PM Stathis Papaioannou via extropy-chat <
> extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org> wrote:
>> But the hard problem is not solved by saying "glutamate has a redness
>> quality", since one can always ask WHY glutamate has a redness quality
>> rather than a greenness quality, or no quality at all.
> OK, you've got me there.  But let me ask you this, do rocket scientists
> ask why force equals mass times acceleration?  No, they just use that never
> failing knowledge to dance in the heavens with their rockets.
> The same is true with redness.  Engineers don't need to know why glutamate
> and only glutamate has a redness quality.  They just need to know if they
> want to engineer a being that can know what redness is like, they can
> always use only glutamate.
>> Intrinsic qualities, like redness and greenness, are simply physical
>>> qualities of something in our brain.  That is just elementary school all
>>> day every day demonstrable physical reality, not magic.
>> Well, then you are a functionalist! Praise be! The functionalist position
>> is just the above: that IF we replaced part of a person's brain and they
>> said they were experiencing exactly the same qualia (and whatever other
>> test you want to throw at them), then they would be experiencing exactly
>> the same qualia. There is no assumption that this is possible, just that IF
>> it were possible, the only reasonable conclusion would be that the qualia
>> have in fact been reproduced.
> Again, I admit that if someone produces a redness experience from a
> function, my falsifiable claims will be falsified.  But you've got to give
> me an idea of what function it is which has any possibility of passing the
> laugh test for having redness quality.  It certainly isn't a square root
> function, or any other 'function' that I can Emagine.  Why do you never
> provide an example function that has a redness quality?  The way I'm
> providing a falsifiable example of glutamate having a redness quality.
> Because even the idea of any and all functions having a redness quality
> would be completely absurd, not passing the laugh test.

The function is that the person says “I see red, it looks exactly the same
to me”, that he identifies red things correctly, that if he is a painter
his paintings are just as good as before and make just as good a use of
colour as before, and everything else pertaining to red.

> --
Stathis Papaioannou
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