[ExI] commies vs marxists was: RE: chinese fires, was:RE: book review

Wed Dec 7 02:18:35 UTC 2022

…> On Behalf Of William Flynn Wallace via extropy-chat
Subject: Re: [ExI] commies vs marxists was: RE: chinese fires, was:RE: book review

>…re Cuban missile crisis:  we were told next to nothing about what was going on behind closed doors and never realized until much later how serious it was.   bill w

That depends entirely on where one was living at the time Billw.  My mother was telling me yesterday some details about that incident I don’t recall, being too young to remember or understand.  We were living across the Indian River from Kennedy Space Center.  A popular belief is that the commies would bomb that thinking the whole man on the moon business was really a cover for nuclear missiles.  We loaded up the truck and prepared to flee inland, camp over in the Ocala area.  We had no TV in those days, but my grandparents did.  They walked over from a few houses away and told us to stand down, the commies blinked.  We were not going to die that day.

spike

On Tue, Dec 6, 2022 at 7:00 PM Dylan Distasio via extropy-chat <extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org <mailto:extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org> > wrote:

As terrible as that scenario is for the world, I also worry about a miscalculation that results in nuclear launches that at best wipe out a few major cities on each side before it is over, or at worst a global nuclear holocaust.

I'm a bit baffled as to why there seem to be a large number of people these days (including in the press and the government) who aren't worried about a nuclear conflagration between the US and Russia (again, involving a miscalculation over Ukraine) or the US and China over Taiwan.   They act like ICBM nuke launches from a desperate actor or due to miscalculation in strategy are no longer a real possibility, which scares me.

I grew up in the 80s when everyone expected the end of the world as a distinct possibility at any moment.   I'm sure my betters on the list also remember the Cuban missile crisis as well.

On Tue, Dec 6, 2022 at 6:34 PM spike jones via extropy-chat <extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org <mailto:extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org> > wrote:

…> On Behalf Of Dylan Distasio via extropy-chat
Subject: Re: [ExI] commies vs marxists was: RE: chinese fires, was:RE: book review

>…The Pentagon, unfortunately, does not share your optimism.   Best case scenario is likely that we destroy all of the chip plants:

Pentagon, Chinese analysts agree US can’t win in Taiwan Strait
US mulls ‘scorched earth’ strategy for Taiwan instead of defense
By DAVID P. GOLDMAN
DECEMBER 6, 2022

Dylan do ponder the following scenario: the US military, having been running wargames and simulations, are well aware of the odds.  With a stubborn aversion to losing irreplaceable carriers and…like… getting killed, and knowing that the US government has way bigger problems on its collective mind than a mere planet-threatening war on the far side of the Pacific, find a way to keep the carriers out of harm’s way.

The Taiwan military, well aware of these war games and sims, recognize they must scuttle those chip fabs.  A grenade is tossed into each manufacturing machine.  The buildings remain standing but no computer chips will go out any time soon.

spike

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