[ExI] Nobody knows the true colors of things, on this day of color.

[Brent Allsop]

Yes, any language that uses only one abstract word, for everything that
represents 'red' makes that language qualia blind  or unable to represent
different intrinsic physical qualities which may be representing red.
All of our peer reviewed physics, in it's entirety does this. so none of it
can model different qualities like redness and greenness.
That is why we use the term 'redness' or colorness intrinsic qualities, to
distinguish from red and color intrinsic qualities.
Something is 'red' if it reflects or emits red light, it has a color.
Redness, is something entirely different, it is a colorness quality.  An
intrinsic quality out of which your consciousness is composed.

A big part of consciousness is the ability to computationally bind
elemental qualities like redness and greenness together, to enabl3e
computation like: I (represented by something in your brain) intend to eat
that strawberry, represented by redness quality, also in your brain.

Adrian claimed my definition is circular.

No it isn't circular.  If we experimentally demonstrated that our
description of glutamate, reacting in a synapse, is your redness, and
glycine is your greenness, then these would be saying the same thing.

objective version:  My glutamate knowledge is like your glycine knowledge,
both of which we call red.
Subjective version: My redness knowledge is like your greenness knowledge,
both of which we call red.

Just because our brain seems be gray (we represent out knowledge of it with
something that has a greyness quality) doesn't mean al that stuff is
actually gray.


Another important part of all this, is there are two ways to gain knowledge.
We can see colors, (can be mistaken, if you get the dictionary wrong)  and
we directly apprehend colorness qualities (can't be mistaken), representing
our knowledge of colored things, the final result of color perception.
For more detail see our Distinguishing between reality and knowledge of
reality
<https://canonizer.com/videos/consciousness/?chapter=differentiate_reality_knowledge>
chapter of our video.









On Fri, Mar 18, 2022 at 3:48 PM Stathis Papaioannou via extropy-chat <
extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org> wrote:

>
>
> On Sat, 19 Mar 2022 at 08:38, William Flynn Wallace via extropy-chat <
> extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org> wrote:
>
>> I think that what you see is what you get and that there is no intrinsic
>> color of anything.  I don't even know what intrinsic means in this
>> context.   bill w
>>
>
> I think Brent means the experience of the colour, or colour qualia, as
> opposed to description of the processes that lead to the experience.
>
> On Fri, Mar 18, 2022 at 4:21 PM Brent Allsop via extropy-chat <
>> extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Happy color festival, everyone.
>>>
>>> Do you guys realize, nobody knows the true intrinsic color of anything?
>>> All we know is the colors things seem to be.
>>>
>>> See my answer to a question on color on Quora.
>>>
>>> P.S.  Thank you Stathis, for your upvote.  That is HUGE for me.
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