[ExI] perception is reality - examples

[William Flynn Wallace]

If you think it's according to your will, just try to make one 'face' stay
the same.  You cannot.  It's as if your brain gets tired of seeing it one
way and without your permission changes to the other 'face' as forward.

The reality:  two overlapping squares.  The perception: a cube.  The
perception is not predictable from the reality, just like any other optical
illusion.  There is no cube there, not anything 3 D.  Yet our perceptions
are very strong.  bill w

On Mon, Mar 21, 2022 at 1:14 PM Brent Allsop via extropy-chat <
extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org> wrote:

> Not sure what you are trying to get at.
> You can control which side is closest to you, in all the images in the Wikipedia
> article
> <https://www.newworldencyclopedia.org/entry/Necker_cube#:~:text=The%20Necker%20cube%20is%20an,perspectives%20of%20the%20object%20represented.>
> .
> When you switch between these two interpretations, there must be some 3D
> structure, represented in your brain, which is that 3D knowledge, and which
> is changes, according to your will, right?
>
>
> On Mon, Mar 21, 2022 at 11:27 AM William Flynn Wallace via extropy-chat <
> extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org> wrote:
>
>> The point:  you cannot predict from the physical dimensions of the Necker
>> cube that it will create the reversals and 3D effect you see.  bill w
>>
>> On Mon, Mar 21, 2022 at 12:20 PM Brent Allsop via extropy-chat <
>> extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> How does it not??  Our knowledge of the necker cube, drawn on a flat
>>> piece of paper, can switch back and forth between 2 different 3D
>>> representations.
>>> It is critically important to distinguish between reality and
>>> knowledge of reality
>>> <https://canonizer.com/videos/consciousness/?chapter=differentiate_reality_knowledge>
>>> .
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, Mar 21, 2022 at 10:34 AM William Flynn Wallace via extropy-chat <
>>> extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org> wrote:
>>>
>>>> The physical properties of the Necker cube do not explain the
>>>> perceptions we get from it. https://www.google.com/search?   bill w
>>>>
>>>> On Sat, Mar 19, 2022 at 3:24 PM Dave S via extropy-chat <
>>>> extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Sat, Mar 19, 2022 at 3:59 PM William Flynn Wallace via extropy-chat
>>>>> <extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Much of our experience consists of realities that we create.  Think
>>>>>> of tastes:  music, food, fashion.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> You're talking about opinions, not physical properties like mass,
>>>>> location, velocity, color, density, etc. Physical properties aren't
>>>>> dependent upon perception. A million people could say that an object weighs
>>>>> 1 pound, but that doesn't affect the actual weight of the object.
>>>>>
>>>>> -Dave
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