[ExI] 27 psychedelics??

[William Flynn Wallace]

Calling me a scaremonger is also calling me stupid.  Who would ever think
to do that to the people in this group?  Someone very stupid.  If you think
that anyone in this group would respond to it then you are calling them
stupid.  Not everyone knows about amphetamine psychoses and I just thought
I'd tell them.  That's all.  You owe all of us an apology though of course
we will not get it.  We know what you are.    bill w

On Mon, Mar 28, 2022 at 2:01 AM Rafal Smigrodzki via extropy-chat <
extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org> wrote:

>
>
> On Sun, Mar 27, 2022 at 8:54 AM William Flynn Wallace <foozler83 at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Rafal, I object to the title of scaremongerer.  In fact I think it
>> insults this group, though even very highly educated people may not know
>> just how bad overuse can be.  I very obviously know of amphetamines' uses
>> in ADHD and so on by qualified physicians.  If I advised people not to get
>> obese because of the threat of high blood pressure and diabetes, would I be
>> scaremongering?  Hardly.  Clearly there are people who take uppers who are
>> not aware of the dangers (not our group, likely).
>>
>
>
> ### What did you write? "An amphetamine psychosis is among the very
> worst:   *lack of concentration, delusions of persecution, increased
> motor activity, disorganization of thoughts, lack of insight, anxiety,
> suspicion and auditory hallucinations - don't mess with amphetamines unless
> you know when to stop and can."*
>
> What did I write? "True but irrelevant scaremongering".
>
> Yeah, I think my characterization was correct. As I said, it is true that
> massive overuse of amphetamines is bad for you but this is not relevant for
> people using amphetamines under a physician's supervision, and yes, this
> kind of scaremongering has scared many patients and parents away from using
> amphetamines. There is a huge amount of hysteria aimed against "drugging
> our children", making them "zombies" when in fact amphetamines are highly
> beneficial for a lot of people. I once prescribed 5 mg of Adderall per day
> to a 30-something year old woman who came to my clinic with complaints of
> "not being able to do things, being distracted and stressed out". I
> diagnosed her with adult ADD and she was reluctant to try, with all the
> horror stories she heard about the drug but a month later she returned for
> follow-up and said "It changed my life" (for the better, of course). The
> risk of abuse and dose escalation is very low when amphetamine is taken
> under a physician's supervision and the benefits are very well documented,
> so talking about "amphetamine psychosis" except in the context of illegal
> abuse just shouldn't happen.
>
> Also, people who abuse meth do know the dangers. They know what happens to
> their friends who overdo it, they heard stories, but they don't care. On
> the other hand, a lot of people who could benefit from medical amphetamine
> but are not immersed in the drug culture don't know enough about its safety
> profile and they think they would put themselves in great danger if they
> started using it, all because of scare stories in the media.
>
> Rafal
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