[ExI] Where is the new space odyssey epic?

[William Flynn Wallace]

For some definitions of consciousness, it means that an organism detects
such things as a toxic environment and moves away from it.  And moves
toward food.  This definition will include the amoeba.  And all creatures
above it - which is all.

If you want more complexity than that, you will have to give me a
definition of consciousness.  bill w

On Tue, Nov 29, 2022 at 11:50 AM spike jones via extropy-chat <
extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org> wrote:

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> *…*> *On Behalf Of *William Flynn Wallace via extropy-chat
> *>…Subject:* Re: [ExI] Where is the new space odyssey epic?
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> >…How big does a brain have to be to function at the level we now enjoy?
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> We don’t really know Billw.  Read on please.
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> >…Just saying, if we get much smaller we won't think the way we do now,
> and perhaps cannot enjoy the experience of being like bacteria or even
> mussels….
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> Ja, you might be right professor, and you did include “Just saying” but
> you must drop the g in order to make it a valid vague speculation, for
> otherwise it overreaches a bit.  You are from the south, me lad, you know
> the rules on that ‘just sayin’ saying: when saying ‘just saying’ one must
> say ‘just sayin.’  Otherwise, supporting evidence is required.
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> >…Of course this segues into a discussion of how far down the
> phylogenetic scale consciousness goes.  Very far down, I say, but not like
> human consciousness.    bill w
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> Billw, how do we know?  You know about brains, so you know a lot of that
> gelatinous glob is redundant circuitry, with lots of icky blood and
> revolting gore in there, the kind you see on zombie movies, and a lot of it
> does mundane life-support stuff such as walking, breathing, and of
> course…that… cool, fun stuff, rather than thinking and feeling, ja?  You
> know the brain is made of jillions of big old squishy “cells” which might
> be simulated by electronic circuitry 4 orders of magnitude smaller, ja?  Do
> clarify your contention please sir.
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