[ExI] Why stop at glutamate?

[Giovanni Santostasi]

Yep,
At this point Gordon positions are simply dogmatic.

On Fri, Apr 14, 2023 at 1:32 PM Gadersd via extropy-chat <
extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org> wrote:

> But Gordon insists on GPT-4 has no understanding as if it was a mantra.
>
>
> Mantras are indeed powerful. All one has to do if confronted with a
> contradiction is close the eyes and repeat the mantra until the problem
> dissolves.
>
> GPT-4 can model human language. GPT-4 doesn’t understand words.
> GPT-4 can solve math and coding problems. GPT-4 doesn’t understand logic.
> GPT-4 can model spatial properties. GPT-4 doesn’t understand 3d space.
>
> GPT-4 can explain all this. GPT-4 can’t think.
>
> On Apr 14, 2023, at 4:00 PM, Giovanni Santostasi via extropy-chat <
> extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org> wrote:
>
> Or Gordon repeating GPT-4 has no meaning for the word apple when it came
> up by itself in saying we can use the indent of an apple as a way to
> distinguish an apple from a pear. Then it draws pears, and bowls (using 2
> different ellipses one above the other to give the illusion of a rim), it
> knows where to apply the eyes of a person, and hair, it can draw little
> cute puppies. Or an AI and human exchanging a brain. All this without any
> visual training and relying on the internal representation of these
> objects. But Gordon insists on GPT-4 has no understanding as if it was a
> mantra.
> Giovanni
>
> On Fri, Apr 14, 2023 at 11:54 AM Ben Zaiboc via extropy-chat <
> extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org> wrote:
>
>>
>> OK, we've established that Brent believes in 'physical properties' in
>> the brain, but can't explain what they are, and that Gordon believes in
>> 'referents' for words being physical objects, and can't explain how we
>> know what Smaug is.
>>
>> We've also established that neither will budge from their position, and
>> constantly ignore any attempts to explain logically how those positions
>> must be false.
>>
>> For all the talk of 'falsifiable hypotheses', there seems to be little
>> enthusiasm for abandoning them when they are actually falsified.
>>
>> The only end to these arguments will come through exhaustion or boredom.
>> I see no possibility of an actual resolution.
>>
>> Ben
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