[ExI] did chatgpt train on capchas?

Mon Apr 17 10:44:13 UTC 2023

Gio: I like it a lot, I love how you came out with the idea of
superimposing circles for the clouds. What was the thought behind it?
GPT-4: Thank you for your kind words! I'm glad you like the design. The
idea of superimposing circles to create the clouds came from the desire to
create a simple, stylized representation of clouds that would be easy to
understand and visually appealing. In nature, clouds often have a fluffy,
irregular shape, which can be difficult to represent using simple geometric
shapes like rectangles or ellipses. By overlapping circles of varying sizes
and positions, we can create an abstract representation of clouds that
still resembles their general shape and appearance. This approach also
makes it easy to create different cloud formations by simply changing the
position, size, and number of circles. Furthermore, using circles with a
light blue fill color provides a gentle contrast against the white
background, which gives the impression of a clear sky with a few clouds.

On Mon, Apr 17, 2023 at 3:32 AM Giovanni Santostasi <gsantostasi at gmail.com>
wrote:

> I ask GPT-4 to add clouds, and a pilot, and to show the helicopter
> hovering over the ground. It told me the oval is the cockpit, where the
> pilot can have a clear sight of the path of the helicopter. It is obvious
> it is not coping a helicopter code somewhere but abstracting away concepts
> as the parts of the helicopter (also notice slightly different choices from
> previous rendition), the role of the pilot and its position in the
> helicopter it chooses to draw the cloud behind the helicopter and the
> ground is green as most children would paint it. The cloud is a masterpiece
> of minimalism. They give the idea of a cloud using just as few as possible
> components. One is upside down relative to the other to create some
> randomness and variety. Genius.
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> [image: image.png]
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> On Sun, Apr 16, 2023 at 10:47 PM Will Steinberg via extropy-chat <
> extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org> wrote:
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>> I agree, this is wild.  Not sure how Gordon would respond to this one.
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>> Makes me even more curious what the hell is going on inside those models
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>> On Sun, Apr 16, 2023, 10:35 PM Giovanni Santostasi via extropy-chat <
>> extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org> wrote:
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>>> Spike,
>>> To me, that drawing of a helicopter is a sign the singularity is coming
>>> soon. I know it doesn't look much but actually, it is better than, as you
>>> said, most people would do even just using simple elements like rectangles.
>>> Consider also it is all code (see below). Maybe there is something I
>>> don't understand but if I do what is happening here is incredible. GPT-4
>>> has to have some general idea of what a helicopter looks like.
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>>> It has to understand the helicopter has certain particular components
>>> (that it actually lists in the code) and how these components are related
>>> to each other both spatially and in relative dimensions. All this is just
>>> from its textual knowledge of helicopters (I believe the version that is
>>> available to the public is not trained on images).
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>>> It has to write code with a plan in mind that allows for these
>>> components to be set in a given frame it has created at the start. It has
>>> chosen to use rectangles (vs round shapes it has used in the past to
>>> represent the head of a person for example) of certain proportions for the
>>> different components. It has to know that the rotor is on top and the sled
>>> at the bottom, the tail on the side. The tail rotor needs to be much
>>> smaller than the rotor. All these things absolutely show that this is not
>>> your grandma's autocomplete as Gordon insists. GPT-4 really understands a
>>> helicopter deeply and it did this by understanding the relations between
>>> the parts without having a referent of any type. If we didn't know what a
>>> helicopter was we could have imagined one from this drawing (or a more
>>> detailed one if necessary). If one sees this drawing with open eyes and
>>> mind then he will arrive at the logical unavoidable conclusion but if
>>> somebody has their mind closed because of some strongly held superstitious
>>> idea then no amount of evidence will convince them, even when the first AI
>>> will receive the Noble Prize for Physics.
>>> Giovanni
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>>> <!DOCTYPE html> <html lang="en"> <head> <meta charset="UTF-8"> <meta
>>> name="viewport" content="width=device-width, initial-scale=1.0"> <title>Helicopter
>>> SVG</title> </head> <body> <svg width="200" height="100" xmlns="
>>> http://www.w3.org/2000/svg"> <!-- Main body --> <rect x="50" y="30"
>>> width="100" height="30" fill="gray" /> <!-- Tail --> <rect x="10" y="30"
>>> width="40" height="10" fill="gray" /> <!-- Top rotor --> <line x1="100"
>>> y1="30" x2="100" y2="0" stroke="black" stroke-width="3" /> <line x1="70"
>>> y1="0" x2="130" y2="0" stroke="black" stroke-width="3" /> <!-- Tail
>>> rotor --> <line x1="10" y1="25" x2="10" y2="20" stroke="black"
>>> stroke-width="2" /> <line x1="10" y1="20" x2="0" y2="20" stroke="black"
>>> stroke-width="2" /> <!-- Landing gear --> <line x1="60" y1="60" x2="60"
>>> y2="80" stroke="black" stroke-width="2" /> <line x1="140" y1="60" x2=
>>> "140" y2="80" stroke="black" stroke-width="2" /> <line x1="50" y1="80"
>>> x2="150" y2="80" stroke="black" stroke-width="2" /> </svg> </body> </
>>> html>
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>>> On Sun, Apr 16, 2023 at 7:12 PM spike jones via extropy-chat <
>>> extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org> wrote:
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>>>> *From:* Giovanni Santostasi <gsantostasi at gmail.com>
>>>> *Subject:* Re: [ExI] did chatgpt train on capchas?
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>>>> GPT-4 creating a SVG code to draw a helicopter:
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>>>> Cool thx Giovanni.
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>>>> I don’t expect the Singularity in the next few days.
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>>>> Musk is going into the mainstream media and saying something like what
>>>> I have been stewing on: long before AI comes to have a will of its own, Bis
>>>> will teach it to lie to us and get us to do bad things to ourselves.
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>>>> Given enough of these they could draw a picture of a helicopter better
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>>>> Good chance GPT’s picture would look a bit wonky, but so would mine.
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>>>> ChatGPT has billions of these to train on probably.
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>>>> spike
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