[ExI] e: GPT-4 on its inability to solve the symbol grounding problem

[Brent Allsop]

On Tue, Apr 18, 2023 at 4:01 AM Ben Zaiboc via extropy-chat <
extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org> wrote:

> On 18/04/2023 06:59, Brent Allsop wrote:
>
> You said: "*There are no pictures of potatoes being sent back and forth
> in the brain*. Instead, there are coded signals, in spike trains
> travelling along axons."
> I believe Geiovani said something similar, when he said there are no
> pixels in the brain.
> I think I understand what you say in that the name "potato" or "apple" is
> a referent to a general abstract idea, rather than a specific potato, which
> makes sense.
> But what is our subjective knowledge of the potato we see, if not a 3D
> model (a picture?), derived through a very complex process, from 2 very
> noisy and distorted set of 2 2D pixels, from the eyes?
> And when people observe colored  "pictures" in the brian (when they look
> at potatoes), and display what they see in the brain, on a picture screen,
> as reported in these many papers
> <https://canonizer.com/topic/603-Current-Observation-Issues/1-Agreement>,
> what are they observing, if not pictures?
>
>
>
> I'm not sure what your question is. I'm not saying that we don't see
> mental pictures, I'm saying that the pictures are not the things being
> transmitted and received in the brain. Much like in a TV, there are no
> pictures being send around the circuitry, there are electrons in wires.
>
> The pictures are higher-level constructs.
>

Oh, so a picture is composed of all the properties of the electrons in all
the wires, representing all the pixels of a  picture.
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