[ExI] Zombies

Jason Resch jasonresch at gmail.com
Sat Apr 29 22:07:09 UTC 2023

On Sat, Apr 29, 2023, 3:08 PM Gordon Swobe <gordon.swobe at gmail.com> wrote:

> On Sat, Apr 29, 2023 at 6:15 AM Jason Resch via extropy-chat <
> extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org> wrote:
>> On Sat, Apr 29, 2023, 5:26 AM Ben Zaiboc via extropy-chat <
>> extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org> wrote:
>> From my discussions with Brent and Gordon, they differ in their views.
> We differ mostly in that Brent has some physicalist ideas about how, for
> example, something like glutamate might explain the experience of redness.
> Like many people here, I do not understand that point of view.
> Brent I do agree, however, that a large language model cannot have a
> conscience experience of redness. In terms of my arguments, just as it
> cannot have conscious experience of color, it cannot have a conscious
> understanding of the meanings of words (including words about color) based
> only on its analysis of how words are arranged statistically in the
> training corpus.
> It can know only how to arrange those words in sentences and paragraphs
> that have meaning *to us*, the end-users. This is what it learned from from
> its deep machine learning.
> And this incidentally is exactly what GPT-4 claims to do but people here
> don’t believe it. I wonder what people here on ExI will say in the very
> near future when all major language models “mature” to GPT-4’s level and
> have the same understanding of language models as GPT-4 and me. Will people
> here call all the AIs liars?
> By the way, Jason, you were saying that the models at character.ai still
> claim to be conscious. I went there and found that not to be the case.
> Perhaps you can show me what you meant.




> LLMs that claim consciousness are, in my view, just toys for entertainment.

A double standard, is it not?

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