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I heard or read somewhere that some are arguing that IQ overall is 
dropping. On ther other hand... is it "IQ" or is it just education in 
general which means that IQ might just as well be unchanged, it is how we 
use our hardware that is dropping and not the capacity of the hardware 
itself.

Another factor might be a decrease in religiousness? Many 
"formal" religions encourage children and family values, and when that is 
replaced by eclectic and personal religion, or atheism/agnosticism (which 
I have experienced in greater nr when it comes to (in my opinion) high IQ 
people) that would be another factor (among the others) pushing down the 
nr of children.

Best regards,
Daniel


On Sat, 30 Dec 2023, Darin Sunley via extropy-chat wrote:

> If we're lucky, a universe tiled with conscious simulations of early 21st century humans asking these questions.
> If we're not so lucky, a universe tiled with hashes of jpegs of smiling humans.
> 
> Evolution and selection pressures aren't in the driver's seat anymore. There nowhere near enough time remaining for that.
> 
> On Sat, Dec 30, 2023, 10:22 AM William Flynn Wallace via extropy-chat <extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org> wrote:
>       So my question is:  since more highly talented people have fewer children will the IQ in a sense go down with time?  I
>       sometimes wonder about Jews - higher average than most (but not as high as people think) and their birthrate is low.
> 
> Does it follow that talent in the general population will diminish over time?
> 
> We do know that birth rate goes down when life becomes better: better nutrition, better access to health care, and so on.
> 
> What's the future?  bill w
> 
> On Sat, Dec 30, 2023 at 8:37 AM BillK via extropy-chat <extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org> wrote:
>       On Sat, 30 Dec 2023 at 13:27, William Flynn Wallace via extropy-chat
>       <extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org> wrote:
>       >
>       > When I first knew this there were no links. So for current opinion I asked Chat gpt3.5
>       > Chat - high iq people have fewer kids
>       > ChatGPT
>       > The relationship between a person's intelligence quotient (IQ) and their family size is a complex and
>       multifaceted one, and it's influenced by numerous factors including cultural, social, economic, and personal
>       choices. Here are a few key points to consider:
>       >
>       > Educational and career aspirations: Some studies have suggested that individuals with higher IQs may be more
>       likely to pursue higher education and career goals, which can delay the decision to have children. They may
>       prioritize their careers and personal development before starting a family.
>       >
>       > Socioeconomic factors: Higher IQ is often associated with higher socioeconomic status, and individuals in higher
>       income brackets tend to have fewer children. This could be due to factors like the cost of raising children and the
>       desire to maintain a certain lifestyle.
>       <snip>
>       > _______________________________________________
> 
>
>       I asked Claude AI, and it agreed but pointed out that the effect is
>       more significant for women.
>       Claude -
>       High-IQ women tend to have fewer children than lower-IQ women.
>       The difference is less consistent for men.
>       Education levels, which correlate with IQ, also predict fertility.
>       More educated women tend to have fewer children.
>       The association is weaker for men.
>       ---------
>
>       This is implying that increased living standards, women's rights,
>       education, incomes, etc. may be the fertility deciding factors.
>       (With some correlation with IQ).
>
>       BillK
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