[ExI] The Animal Welfare (Sentience) Bill

[Jason Resch]

On Thu, May 4, 2023, 12:38 PM Darin Sunley via extropy-chat <
extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org> wrote:

> I would absolutely be amenable to the creation of a piece of software that
> remembers being me, given reasonable assurances about its lived experience,
> safety, welfare and comfort, etc...
>
> But I'd also really like to not die. And these aren't quite the same thing.
>

What's the difference?

Do you consider a "star trek style" transporter death or a form of
transportation? What about a train ride (given the person who steps off the
train is never completely identical with the person who stepped on)?

If the same person can be said to exist in the same place at different
times, then could the same person not exist in two different places at the
same time?

Jason



> On Thu, May 4, 2023 at 4:16 AM Jason Resch via extropy-chat <
> extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org> wrote:
>
>> One way to view Earth is that it's a system for turning sunlight into
>> conscious experiences.
>>
>> But it is extremely inefficient at doing so.
>>
>> Only two parts in a billion of the sun’s light reaches Earth. Of the
>> light that gets here, less than 2% is captured by plants. Of the energy
>> captured by plants, even when it's eaten by humans, only a fifth goes to
>> power the brain.
>>
>> When we consider how much energy the brain uses (about 20 Watts, vs. how
>> much land (and sunlight) is needed to grow the food to power a brain, we
>> find that with current technology, it takes an acre of farmland to feed
>> each person. Over the 24 hour day, this acre of farmland receives an
>> average of 663,684 watts of solar energy. If the land grows food to feed
>> animals which then feed humans, this figure can easily extend to millions
>> of watts to power each human.
>>
>> Millions of Watts to power something that uses less energy than a light
>> bulb.
>>
>> If we could directly synthesize food from raw chemicals, it should only
>> take some amount of energy roughly proportional to the caloric energy
>> provided by said food. NASA funded research that found a way to make sugar
>> from CO2 using electricity. We could then power tens of thousands of humans
>> for the energy that today only powers a single human.
>>
>> But where would all these people fit?
>>
>> Future technologies, like mind uploading will not only provide each
>> person unlimited space in virtual reality but also enable people to live
>> anywhere. For instance: on the moon.
>>
>> The moon receives 13,000 Terawatts of solar energy. Since the human
>> brains uses 20 watts of power, this is enough energy to power 650 trillion
>> human souls. We could leave Earth and allow her environment to heal.
>>
>> Just some possibilities to consider..
>>
>> Jason
>>
>> On Thu, May 4, 2023, 2:51 AM Ben Zaiboc via extropy-chat <
>> extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> On 04/05/2023 03:45, MB wrote:
>>> > I'd be interested in the "energy/environmental footprint" of this
>>> > lab-grown meat.
>>>
>>> Well, the problem of it being reliant on Bovine Foetal Serum seems to be
>>> just about solved, at least:
>>>
>>>
>>> https://www.wired.co.uk/article/scaling-clean-meat-serum-just-finless-foods-mosa-meat
>>>
>>>
>>> https://www.styvalley.com/pub/magazines/torch/read/alternative-to-foetal-bovine-serum-fbs-in-artificial-meat-production
>>>
>>>
>>> https://averyparkinson23.medium.com/alternatives-to-fetal-bovine-serum-for-cellular-agriculture-aec69475f9be
>>>
>>> https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/2023.05.01.538513v1
>>>
>>> The article about cultured meat being worse from the point of view of
>>> emissions was just hand-waving 'maybeism'.
>>>
>>> We'll just have to wait and see. By the time it's resolved, we probably
>>> won't need meat ourselves (as in Meat Bodies).
>>>
>>> Ben
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