[ExI] morality

[efc at swisscows.email]

Hello Tara,

On Fri, 19 May 2023, Tara Maya via extropy-chat wrote:

> People don't learn the responsibility to make the right choices until they've had the freedom to make the wrong choices.

I'm afraid I do not agree with you. There are plenty of people in my
experience who are capable of learning from others experience, and
studying so they don't have to repeat mistakes but can go straight to
good solutions.

For some people, yes, sadly it seems like your quote applies, but given
the fact that our civilization has progressed, I think in general it
does not apply.

Best regards, 
Daniel


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>> On May 19, 2023, at 8:08 AM, efc--- via extropy-chat <extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org> wrote:
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>> On Thu, 18 May 2023, BillK via extropy-chat wrote:
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>>> It is clear that in some cases profit leads to bad results.
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>>> BillK
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>> But I'd like to add to that three things which are often forgotten in
>> these types of discussions.
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>> 1. There's short term and long term profit.
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>> 2. Markets act over time.
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>> 3. In many countries, we are in fact not looking at a free market. It is
>> a market controlled by the state.
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>> Now, I'm not saying which ones apply or do not apply to the above
>> discussion about the US health care system, but there you go.
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>> As a personal anecdote I can add that the swedish public healthcare
>> system is in free fall. You can wait years for operations, people are
>> sent home misdiagnosed and die from time to time, if you need to go to
>> the emergency room, you can easily wait for 8-12 hours and so on.
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>> This is coupled with a 60%+ tax rate.
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>> So rich people are starting to buy private health insurance, and the
>> previous government then introduced a tax penalty on people who buy
>> private health insurance in order to "equalized" health care and avoid
>> that rich people can get past the queue.
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>> You gotta love politics sometimes! ;)
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>> Best regards, Daniel
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