[ExI] what would you do?

Adrian Tymes atymes at gmail.com
Sat Oct 7 16:47:12 UTC 2023

How long until they bulldoze this encampment too, displacing the homeless
to go somewhere else?

It's far from the ideal solution, but it is how they've been handling it.

How I would handle it would be to construct a large - designed to scale to
at least a million capacity - shelter, designed for long term
sustainability in the face of likely minimal ongoing funding once complete,
with built-in security (almost certainly including an on-site police
station) and other fixes to the commonly cited reasons why the homeless
don't go to shelters as it is.  Once it is demonstrated that there exists a
viable alternative, place them in there - and any (there are debates as to
whether this would be most or only a few) who prove mentally incompatible
with living in a shelter (who don't otherwise have a viable long-term
living solution: nomads in RVs are fine, squatters in parks are not) thus
prove themselves candidates for mental hospitals (which should also have
sufficient capacity).

Making such a structure functional will be tricky.  Perhaps the most
difficult portion will be to resist demands to cut corners and just put up
a people warehouse so the backers can call it "done" but that will quickly
degrade once in use.  But in theory it's possible.

On Sat, Oct 7, 2023 at 9:26 AM spike jones via extropy-chat <
extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org> wrote:

> A coupla months ago, I posted in this forum an ethical dilemma.  A nice
> park down in San Jose has a number of walking trails and other nice
> features.  It is a jewel in the crown of that community.  Our scouts would
> often meet there in the summer if they needed a lot of space for outdoor
> activities and such.  Up at the north side, there is a nice community
> center, over on the west side an elementary school, on the east side is a
> middle school.
> But all along the south side, the trail goes along Penitencia Creek where
> homeless people have been taking up residenceless, with more showing up in
> the last few years, way more in the past year.  They kept to themselves and
> the city of San Jose did nothing.
> Last summer one of the scouts in my troop decided to do a community
> service project consisting of upgrading and restoring a weathered old
> display case and a map of the park trails, including the perimeter trail,
> which goes along that south side parallel to the creek.  The scout did not
> design the park map, but was only refurbishing the existing one and adding
> features in accordance with the specifications of the benefactor.  The new
> map did not make note of the homeless who had taken up residenceless down
> there.  I feared that visitors who saw that map up by the community center
> would not realize there was a good reason to not go down along that creek.
> I didn’t voice my concern at the time, the project was completed, the
> scout achieved eagle rank and is now at college.
> This morning I learned that a homeless guy snuck up behind a pedestrian on
> that trail and stabbed him.  It wasn’t even a robbery, just a random
> attack.  The victim is expected to survive, but they didn’t catch the perp
> and have no useful description of him or her.
> I posted in this forum a few months ago that I recognized this risk, but I
> did nothing, and now the danger I foresaw has happened.
> OK what do we do now?  By refurbishing that map, our own scouts have
> unknowingly externalized risk onto innocent people.  I have half a mind to
> request from the park authorities that the refurbished map be taken down
> forthwith, or that the portion of the trail along the creek be painted red
> or some kind of warning signs be erected, or what would you do?  Ideas
> please?  Billw, whadda we do now coach?  MB?  Adrian?  Wisdom please,
> somebody.  I feel the need to do something, for this could well have
> resulted in a fatality rather than a mere few hundred thousand bucks in
> medical bills and a few weeks stay in the hospital.
> spike
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