[ExI] uploads and mariachi bands

[Adrian Tymes]

If one experiences an illusion, is not one's experience itself real even if
the thing that was experienced was an illusion?

On Tue, Feb 13, 2024 at 8:07 AM Tara Maya via extropy-chat <
extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org> wrote:

> No one can have an experience at Will if the circumstances of that
> experience aren’t real; they can only have the illusion of an experience.
>
> You could recreate a memory or a fantasy of hearing a mariachi band but
> unless the band of other people were there, you’d not be experiencing the
> band itself only the simulacra of the band.
>
> A painting is not the thing it portrays.
>
> > On Feb 13, 2024, at 02:17, Ben Zaiboc via extropy-chat <
> extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org> wrote:
> >
> > 
> >> On 13/02/2024 00:37, spike wrote:
> >> For instance… what if… I upload, and realize I never have experiences
> >> like one I remember with crystal vision, the way I felt in Feb 2024 at
> >> Berkeley, listening to a mariachi band musically seduce young ladies
> >> into situations where a next generation of meat-being is given a chance
> >> to come into existence?  Regardless of how good that uploaded existence
> >> is, Imagine I miss that Berkeley mariachi feeling so much, I want to see
> >>  to it that the feelings I had yesterday are given a chance to be felt
> >> again, into the future, indefinitely.
> >
> > Spike, what would prevent you, as an upload, having these experiences?
> >
> > If you realise you happen to never have any experiences you recall
> having as a biological being, you can arrange to have them again, at will,
> as an upload.
> >
> > If some mariachi band and a suitable couple haven't also uploaded, or
> have moved on from those behaviours, you could always recreate the
> experiences you were missing in your own mind. I see no reason anyone would
> not be able to have any experiences they wanted to, as an upload. Just as
> we currently have AI systems that you can give a description to, and they
> can create an image, still or moving, of what you've asked for, I expect
> there will be systems that can take a memory and turn it into an
> interactive experience for uploads.
> >
> > I fully expect that uploads will be able to have any experience any
> un-uploaded person can have, and then some.
> >
> > Ben
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