[ExI] uploads and mariachi bands

[William Flynn Wallace]

Agreed.  But a real experience of an illusion is not itself an illusion of
an experience.   agreed  billw

On Tue, Feb 13, 2024 at 4:42 PM Adrian Tymes via extropy-chat <
extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org> wrote:

> Agreed.  But a real experience of an illusion is not itself an illusion of
> an experience.
>
> On Tue, Feb 13, 2024, 10:45 AM Tara Maya via extropy-chat <
> extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org> wrote:
>
>> It’s a real experience of an illusion but it’s not a real experience of
>> that which the illusion represents.
>>
>> On Feb 13, 2024, at 08:17, Adrian Tymes via extropy-chat <
>> extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org> wrote:
>>
>> 
>> If one experiences an illusion, is not one's experience itself real even
>> if the thing that was experienced was an illusion?
>>
>> On Tue, Feb 13, 2024 at 8:07 AM Tara Maya via extropy-chat <
>> extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org> wrote:
>>
>>> No one can have an experience at Will if the circumstances of that
>>> experience aren’t real; they can only have the illusion of an experience.
>>>
>>> You could recreate a memory or a fantasy of hearing a mariachi band but
>>> unless the band of other people were there, you’d not be experiencing the
>>> band itself only the simulacra of the band.
>>>
>>> A painting is not the thing it portrays.
>>>
>>> > On Feb 13, 2024, at 02:17, Ben Zaiboc via extropy-chat <
>>> extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org> wrote:
>>> >
>>> > 
>>> >> On 13/02/2024 00:37, spike wrote:
>>> >> For instance… what if… I upload, and realize I never have experiences
>>> >> like one I remember with crystal vision, the way I felt in Feb 2024
>>> at
>>> >> Berkeley, listening to a mariachi band musically seduce young ladies
>>> >> into situations where a next generation of meat-being is given a
>>> chance
>>> >> to come into existence?  Regardless of how good that uploaded
>>> existence
>>> >> is, Imagine I miss that Berkeley mariachi feeling so much, I want to
>>> see
>>> >>  to it that the feelings I had yesterday are given a chance to be
>>> felt
>>> >> again, into the future, indefinitely.
>>> >
>>> > Spike, what would prevent you, as an upload, having these experiences?
>>> >
>>> > If you realise you happen to never have any experiences you recall
>>> having as a biological being, you can arrange to have them again, at will,
>>> as an upload.
>>> >
>>> > If some mariachi band and a suitable couple haven't also uploaded, or
>>> have moved on from those behaviours, you could always recreate the
>>> experiences you were missing in your own mind. I see no reason anyone would
>>> not be able to have any experiences they wanted to, as an upload. Just as
>>> we currently have AI systems that you can give a description to, and they
>>> can create an image, still or moving, of what you've asked for, I expect
>>> there will be systems that can take a memory and turn it into an
>>> interactive experience for uploads.
>>> >
>>> > I fully expect that uploads will be able to have any experience any
>>> un-uploaded person can have, and then some.
>>> >
>>> > Ben
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