[ExI] uploads and mariachi bands

[Stuart LaForge]

I agree. One of the very few well-written TV shows regarding uploading 
is "Pantheon" which finally got picked up by Amazon streaming. The main 
theme in the series is how the human relationships and conflicts from 
their biological lives tethers the world's first uploads to reality. It 
is one of the most intelligent, beautiful, and moving pieces of hard 
science fiction that I have ever watched. I cannot recommend it enough.

Stuart LaForge


On 2024-02-13 10:50, Tara Maya via extropy-chat wrote:
> As a fiction writer and lifelong reader, I don’t doubt the value of
> fantasy and games. As uploads we can have amazing experiences.
> 
> But we will never untether ourselves from reality, so we ignore
> reality at our peril.
> 
>> On Feb 13, 2024, at 10:44, Tara Maya <tara at taramayastales.com>
>> wrote:
> 
>> 
>> 
>> It’s a real experience of an illusion but it’s not a real
>> experience of that which the illusion represents.
>> 
>>> On Feb 13, 2024, at 08:17, Adrian Tymes via extropy-chat
>>> <extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org> wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> If one experiences an illusion, is not one's experience itself real
>> even if the thing that was experienced was an illusion?
>> 
>> On Tue, Feb 13, 2024 at 8:07 AM Tara Maya via extropy-chat
>> <extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org> wrote:
>> No one can have an experience at Will if the circumstances of that
>> experience aren’t real; they can only have the illusion of an
>> experience.
>> 
>> You could recreate a memory or a fantasy of hearing a mariachi band
>> but unless the band of other people were there, you’d not be
>> experiencing the band itself only the simulacra of the band.
>> 
>> A painting is not the thing it portrays.
>> 
>>> On Feb 13, 2024, at 02:17, Ben Zaiboc via extropy-chat
>> <extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org> wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> On 13/02/2024 00:37, spike wrote:
>>>> For instance… what if… I upload, and realize I never have
>> experiences
>>>> like one I remember with crystal vision, the way I felt in Feb
>> 2024 at
>>>> Berkeley, listening to a mariachi band musically seduce young
>> ladies
>>>> into situations where a next generation of meat-being is given a
>> chance
>>>> to come into existence?  Regardless of how good that uploaded
>> existence
>>>> is, Imagine I miss that Berkeley mariachi feeling so much, I want
>> to see
>>>> to it that the feelings I had yesterday are given a chance to be
>> felt
>>>> again, into the future, indefinitely.
>>> 
>>> Spike, what would prevent you, as an upload, having these
>> experiences?
>>> 
>>> If you realise you happen to never have any experiences you recall
>> having as a biological being, you can arrange to have them again, at
>> will, as an upload.
>>> 
>>> If some mariachi band and a suitable couple haven't also uploaded,
>> or have moved on from those behaviours, you could always recreate
>> the experiences you were missing in your own mind. I see no reason
>> anyone would not be able to have any experiences they wanted to, as
>> an upload. Just as we currently have AI systems that you can give a
>> description to, and they can create an image, still or moving, of
>> what you've asked for, I expect there will be systems that can take
>> a memory and turn it into an interactive experience for uploads.
>>> 
>>> I fully expect that uploads will be able to have any experience
>> any un-uploaded person can have, and then some.
>>> 
>>> Ben
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