[ExI] Would human uploads have emotions?

[spike at rainier66.com]

From: extropy-chat <extropy-chat-bounces at lists.extropy.org> On Behalf Of Brent Allsop via extropy-chat
Subject: Re: [ExI] Would human uploads have emotions?

 

 

Hi Spike,

Your beliefs are hard to pin down.

First you say: "I do not wish to believe that thought is substrate dependent, and I don’t."  (Yay! ;)

I'm wondering exactly what you mean with that "I don't"

then you seem to contradict your desires with:

"I hope not but think [swimming in endorphins]  is likely."  (I can relate to this.)

 

And it is fascinating that you express this as desire, rather than just stating factual beliefs, independent of any desires, like lots of people seem to try to do.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Ja.  Brent a better way to state my belief is in terms of probability or even betting.

 

We know the game of political betting: vote your values, bet your beliefs.  If you do that, in the long run, you win.  You win by taking advantage of those who bet their values.

 

It is my belief that thought is substrate independent.  I would pay 80 cents for that bet.  But I would only give about 25 to 30 cents that emotion and the feelings associated with my mariachi band at Berkeley experience is substrate independent.  It might be independent, but I fear that somehow emotion is entirely dependent on substrate and requires analog meat brains.

 

I don’t know how to express that on canonizer, and haven’t messed with it.  Don’t give up on me Brent, getting up to speed on canonizer is on my list.  It just isn’t at the top of my list and currently isn’t seriously challenging anything up there at the top.  But times change.

 

Speaking of which… political betting is a kind of monetized Canonizer, ja?  I had never thought of it that way until you brought up the influence of desire vs belief.  Cool.

 

spike

 

 

 

 

 

 

On Sun, Feb 18, 2024 at 10:34 PM spike jones via extropy-chat <extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org <mailto:extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org> > wrote:

 

 

 

On Sat, Feb 17, 2024 at 8:54 AM BillK via extropy-chat <extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org <mailto:extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org> > wrote:

>…I have been musing on mariachi band experiences and I have doubts that
uploads will have experiences like humans… BillK

 

 

BillK I reluctantly agree.  I do not wish to believe that thought is substrate dependent, and I don’t.  But I am compelled to think that human emotion, as humans experience it, might require carbon-based meat brains, swimming in hormones and endorphins.  I hope not, but think it is likely.

 

spike

 

 

 

 

 

 

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