[ExI] Fwd: Open Individualism

[Jason Resch]

On Sun, Jan 14, 2024, 4:24 PM William Flynn Wallace via extropy-chat <
extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org> wrote:

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> From: William Flynn Wallace <foozler83 at gmail.com>
> Date: Sun, Jan 14, 2024 at 8:26 AM
> Subject: Re: [ExI] Open Individualism
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> There is nothing wrong with any theory that yields testable predictions.
> But it seems that open individualism can only be tested with things, like
> uploading,
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It can only be tested personally. So even if you see others upload and
claim to have survived you (from the third person witness to the uploading)
are still no wiser to the fact of whether or not it is *really you* who
survives. So it will always require some "leap of faith" to take that step.
We can, however, with logic and study of problems in, and theories of,
personal identity, gain some confidence in the answer.

that we can't do now.
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There's much we can do already. Such as the Wada tested, and split brain
surgeries, as well as reviving people after months or years in a coma
(where most of your material is replaced), or brain surgery, where we
directly modify your brain while you're unconscious. We can ask, does one
survive such a discontinuity?


"Anything is possible."   OK we'll go with that.  Just prove it.  Endless
> speculation is for SportsCenter.   bill w
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There's already strong probabilistic arguments favoring open individualism
compared to the others. And closed individualism seems to me, at best ad
hoc, and at worst inconsistent/incoherent. It's not something you need to
speculate much over, more so just a topic that is worth learning about to
better prepare yourself for the coming future.

Jason



> On Sat, Jan 13, 2024 at 5:26 PM BillK via extropy-chat <
> extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org> wrote:
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>> On Sat, 13 Jan 2024 at 23:12, Jason Resch <jasonresch at gmail.com> wrote:
>> >
>> > On Sat, Jan 13, 2024, 4:26 PM BillK via extropy-chat <
>> extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Ask an AI -
>> >> In Open Individualism, what does it mean to say "There is only one
>> person"?
>> >>
>> >> Answer-
>> >> In Open Individualism, the statement "There is only one person" is a
>> >> philosophical proposition that challenges the conventional notion of
>> >> personal identity and individuality.
>> >
>> >
>> > I would say it only challenges the conventional notion of personal
>> identity, but that it has no bearing on individuality.
>> >Jason
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>> Question -
>> What do you mean by "challenges the conventional notion of
>> personal identity and individuality".
>>
>> Answer -
>> When I mention that Open Individualism challenges the conventional
>> notion of personal identity and individuality, I mean that it presents
>> a perspective that goes against the traditional understanding of what
>> it means to be an individual person.
>>
>> In conventional thinking, personal identity is often associated with
>> the idea that each person is a distinct and separate entity with their
>> own unique consciousness and experiences. This understanding suggests
>> that personal identity is defined by characteristics such as memories,
>> physicality, and psychological attributes that differentiate one
>> person from another.
>>
>> However, Open Individualism questions this conventional understanding
>> by proposing that personal identity is ultimately an illusion. It
>> suggests that the boundaries we perceive between individuals are not
>> fundamental or real, but rather a result of our limited perspective or
>> subjective experience.
>>
>> Open Individualism argues that, at a fundamental level, all conscious
>> beings share a common underlying consciousness or personhood. It
>> suggests that personal identity is not something inherent to
>> individual consciousnesses but rather a product of our limited
>> perception and the way we identify with specific bodies, minds, and
>> memories.
>>
>> By challenging the conventional notion of personal identity and
>> individuality, Open Individualism invites us to reconsider our
>> understanding of what it means to be a person and the nature of
>> consciousness itself. It raises profound philosophical questions about
>> the relationship between individuals, the self, and the broader
>> universe.
>> -------------------
>>
>> BillK
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