[ExI] Fwd: Open Individualism

[Jason Resch]

On Fri, Jan 19, 2024 at 10:45 AM William Flynn Wallace via extropy-chat <
extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org> wrote:

> Science depends not only on observation, but also logic and reasoning.
> But reasoning alone can never provide proof. I don't need to read about
> your defense of your ideas, but your epistemology is wrong.   billw
>

Science never provides proof, certainty, or truth.

At best, it can provide evidence (of various kinds and forms) which we can
use to update our beliefs (which are best expressed in terms of
probabilities).

Jason


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> On Fri, Jan 19, 2024 at 9:19 AM Jason Resch via extropy-chat <
> extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org> wrote:
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>> On Fri, Jan 19, 2024, 9:48 AM William Flynn Wallace via extropy-chat <
>> extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org> wrote:
>>
>>> thought experiments I've
>>> provided which demonstrate it's truth, however, if that makes you feel
>>> better. jason
>>>
>>> SCientific proof is not provided by thought 'experiments'.  No value of 'true'.  billw
>>>
>>>
>> Science depends not only on observation, but also logic and reasoning.
>>
>> When there are three possibilities and two are logically ruled out, what
>> do you call that? Is such reasoning not a necessary part of science?
>>
>> There are only two opinions for the question of whether or not you
>> survive the teleportation machine: either you survive, or you don't.
>>
>> Answering that you don't requires making a bunch of unfounded assumptions
>> regarding dualistic souls metaphysically attached to bodies, etc.
>>
>> Is discarding such unnecessary assumptions not also what science does?
>>
>> When we perform the experiment personally and find that our consciousness
>> survives the procedure, is that also not an experimental confirmation?
>> Again, science.
>>
>> Jason
>>
>>
>>> On Fri, Jan 19, 2024 at 7:30 AM Jason Resch via extropy-chat <
>>> extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Fri, Jan 19, 2024, 6:01 AM Ben Zaiboc via extropy-chat <
>>>> extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 18/01/2024 16:06, Jason Resch wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Ben Wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>     From what I can see, none of what you claim about Open Individualism
>>>>>>     is based on scientific principles,
>>>>>>
>>>>> It  corresponds to thought experiments (i.e., logic and rationality better
>>>>> than the alternatives). It corresponds to Occam's razor better than the
>>>>> alternatives, as it makes fewer assumptions, it corresponds to laws of
>>>>> probability better than the alternatives, which are exceedingly
>>>>> improbable compared to it. You can keep repeating to yourself that it's
>>>>> not scientific, and continue to ignore the thought experiments I've
>>>>> provided which demonstrate it's truth, however, if that makes you feel
>>>>> better.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> That might be the best course. Your thought experiments don't make any
>>>>> sense to me, and apart from making some people feel better about their
>>>>> lives, I still see no practical use of the idea, or any way to prove or
>>>>> disprove it.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> If they make no sense you should ask clarifying questions. I said I
>>>> would explain/answer anything I could.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Jason
>>>>
>>>> P.S.
>>>>
>>>> Why do you create a new thread with every reply?
>>>>
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