[ExI] AI and Eliezer

[efc at swisscows.email]

On Wed, 20 Mar 2024, Dylan Distasio via extropy-chat wrote:

> You strike to the quick of it!  He's willing to bomb non-compliant data centers out of existence.   After his Time interview, I can't
> take him seriously any longer.    
> 
> Climate change is another great example, and I would add a third playing out in real time now in the US (and on this list), some have
> an irrational fear that Trump is an infinite threat and are pretty much willing to do ANYTHING to prevent his re-election.

That makes me think that this is a broader problem that cuts through many 
different issues.

How come we became so extreme in our opinions?

Surely "social media" is too simple an explanation. I would think that 
perhaps we have several factors coming together in a polarizing storm 
here.

Best regards,
Daniel


> On Wed, Mar 20, 2024 at 5:11 AM efc--- via extropy-chat <extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org> wrote:
> 
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>       On Wed, 20 Mar 2024, Samantha via extropy-chat wrote:
>
>       > Oh my.  Eliezer the luddite.    I have been off the opinion for over two
>       > decades that there is no way for humanity to continue at the current level,
>       > much less transcend this level, without massively more effective intelligence
>       > deployed than today whether human or artificial.
>       >
>       > If this is so then AGI is *essential* to human flourishing.
>       >
>       > Also "shut it down" means shutting down and controlling the entire internet
>       > at this point.  The work has gone well outside a few large tech companies. 
>       > It is vibrantly alive and being advanced in the open source world.  Surely
>       > Eliezer doesn't believe humanity could survive the level of tyranny it would
>       > actually take to "shut it down"?
>
>       The problem with Eliezer is that he deals with infinite threats. If you
>       deal with infinite threats every action is excusable and preferable in
>       order to avoid infinite evil.
>
>       Just look at the more extreme climate change activists, they deal with
>       infinite threats (everyone will die tomorrow) and therefore anything is
>       allowed.
>
>       Another classic is Pascals wager. Assign infinite good and infinite bad,
>       and all calculation, nuance and rationality goes out the window.
>
>       Best regards,
>       Daniel
> 
>
>       > - samantha
>       >
>       > On 3/13/24 17:31, Keith Henson via extropy-chat wrote:
>       >> I have been perusing X recently to see what Anders Sandberg and
>       >> Eliezer have been saying
>       >>
>       >> Eliezer Yudkowsky
>       >> @ESYudkowsky
>       >> ·
>       >> 4h
>       >> I don't feel like I know. Does anyone on the ground in DC feel like
>       >> making a case? To be clear, the correct action is "Shut it down
>       >> worldwide" and other actions don't matter; I'm not interested in who
>       >> tries to regulate it more strictly or has nicer goals.
>       >>
>       >> ·
>       >> 16m
>       >> Replying to
>       >> @ESYudkowsky
>       >> Given the economic, political, and international realities, do you
>       >> think "shut it down" is possible? If not, are there any other options?
>       >> You might remember a story I posted on sl4 where a very well aligned
>       >> AI caused humans to go extinct (though nobody died).
>       >>
>       >>
>       >> Keith
>       >>
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