[ExI] libertarians nominate none of these

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On Thu, 28 Mar 2024, Kelly Anderson via extropy-chat wrote:

> I'm replying to a bunch of stuff in this thread...
...
> Sorry to ramble on there, but I feel like I'm a good example of why
> Libertarians can't herd.

I think libertarianism is only workable on an individual or small
community level given the world as it currently is. Individually you can
use lawyers, voting with your feet, legal loop holes etc. to live a
fairly libertarian life.

It is probably possible to do the same in a small community. But for
bigger groups, the iron fist of the government will quickly crush you.

To realize a libertarian project at scale, I think something big needs
to happen on the national level to really shake peoples faith up a bit.

Another route which I find interesting is if some large corporation or
billionaire turns libertarian enough to deal with a bankrupt small
country in africa or the caribbean.

I could easily imagine, given the corruption and bad finances, that a
small country there might sell a piece of their land and grant that
piece of land tax free status as long as funds trickle down into the
regular economy.

I think there have been attempts actually, but they probably did not get
anywhere or we all would have heard about their success.

Best regards, 
Daniel


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> On Wed, Mar 27, 2024 at 6:05 AM Henry Rivera via extropy-chat
> <extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org> wrote:
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>> > On Mar 26, 2024, at 10:06 PM, spike jones via extropy-chat <extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org> wrote:
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>> > If all drugs are legal, they soon get mixed with pharmaceuticals, as opium did in the 19th century.
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>> I don’t buy this. This is a current problem now with black market drug purity. Crap gets mixed in or outright is substituted for what people are seeking.
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>> You seem to be referring to regulation and labeling issues vs legalization. People who advocate for legalization aren’t expecting to find cocaine in Coca-Cola after that, but it might mean you can go to a dispensary and buy cocaine in a pure uncut form without fentanyl in it, for example. That reduces harm in my mind, not the opposite.  Portugal, for example, which is engaging in an experiment in legalization/decriminalization right now doesn’t have the problem you refer to.
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>> Now, if you are suggesting that a Libertarian would advocate for the abolishment of literally all regulation, which is a very extreme version of a libertarian I might add, then perhaps what you suggest could be a problem. But I haven’t heard anyone advocate for that version of libertarianism in a long time. People seem to prefer at least some regulations around basic safety. No one wants a window to fly off a plane while in mid flight or to take a mislabeled drug. Allowing trial error to determine what is safe and the free market to follow will never become popular if people are dying in rapid succession, I suggest.
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>> -Henry
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