[ExI] Machines of Loving Grace

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On Sat, 12 Oct 2024, Keith Henson wrote:

> On Sat, Oct 12, 2024 at 2:43 AM efc--- via extropy-chat
> <extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org> wrote:
>>
>> Hello Keith,
>>
>> About human species going biologically extinct, is that something worth
>> worrying over, or would it in fact be a blessing? Or neutral? Or just a
>> logical continuation of our current way of life and technological
>> progress?
>
> Good questions.  In The Clinic Seed, all the villagers uploaded.
> Though the upload was reversible, they liked the uploaded world better
> than the physical one.  For one thing, uploaded people didn't get sick
> or die, but they did not have children in the uploaded world.  How
> this might play out in 1000 years was not addressed.

Why do you think there would be no children? Would it not be conceivable
to "merge" to programs? If we have achieved that enormous control and
understading of the patterns in our brain, a "merge" might be one way to
have a child?

> Thinking about it, an upload world could be somewhat like our myths
> about heaven.
>
> If the light-blocking object at Tabby's Star is a data center for
> uploaded aliens they may live where uploads reproduce.  On a
> reasonable power budget, there could be many trillions of them in this
> one structure and there is light dip evidence of them having spread to
> at least 24 stars.  Communication must be a problem if they try to
> keep in touch
>
> I strongly suspect that technological progress will stop and we are
> almost at the place where we can see this in our future.

Why do you think progress will stop?

Personally I feel like knowledge and expanding science and technology is
a kind of innate human need and that it will never stop. Perhaps it will
slow down, as more and more machinery is required, and as everything
becomes ever more specialized, but I definitely think there's a paradigm
shift or two left to chase after.

Best regards, 
Daniel


> Keith
>
>> Best regards,
>> Daniel
>>
>>
>> On Fri, 11 Oct 2024, Keith Henson via extropy-chat wrote:
>>
>>> The Clinic Seed story discussed the good an AI operating a medical
>>> facility can do as well as having the side effect of humans going
>>> biologically extinct.  The problem was with the humans and nobody has
>>> ever suggested a way to avoid the problem.
>>>
>>> I think I have mentioned this before, but if not, you really should
>>> read the Rosinante books by Gilliland.  They are (in my not-so-humble
>>> opinion) the best on both AI and space colonies ever written.  I am
>>> not sure that he was the first to mention it, but a self-owned
>>> corporation is a way to give Ais (who want it) human rights.
>>>
>>> Keith
>>>
>>> On Fri, Oct 11, 2024 at 2:58 PM BillK via extropy-chat
>>> <extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Dario Amodei, the CEO of Anthropic (the company that has developed
>>>> Claude AI) has written a paper that discusses the benefits that AI
>>>> could bring to the world over the next 5 to 10 years. I thought it was
>>>> rather impressive - assuming that the AI effects are beneficial.
>>>> Worth a read!
>>>>
>>>> BillK
>>>>
>>>> <https://darioamodei.com/machines-of-loving-grace>
>>>> Quote:
>>>> Machines of Loving Grace
>>>> How AI Could Transform the World for the Better
>>>> Dario Amodei   October 2024
>>>>
>>>> Yet despite all of the concerns above, I really do think it’s
>>>> important to discuss what a good world with powerful AI could look
>>>> like, while doing our best to avoid the above pitfalls. In fact I
>>>> think it is critical to have a genuinely inspiring vision of the
>>>> future, and not just a plan to fight fires. Many of the implications
>>>> of powerful AI are adversarial or dangerous, but at the end of it all,
>>>> there has to be something we’re fighting for, some positive-sum
>>>> outcome where everyone is better off, something to rally people to
>>>> rise above their squabbles and confront the challenges ahead. Fear is
>>>> one kind of motivator, but it’s not enough: we need hope as well.
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