[ExI] thought experiment part 1

[Colin Hales]

On Thu, 11 Dec 2025, 12:25 am John Clark via extropy-chat, <
extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org> wrote:

> On Wed, Dec 10, 2025 at 7:23 AM Adrian Tymes via extropy-chat <
> extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org> wrote:
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>> *>> technology is rapidly approaching the point where machines alone can
>>> do what somebody wants to get done, completely bypassing human labor, and
>>> thus also bypassing the abstract concept of "money".*
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>> *> Only in certain fields. [...]  Not politics, nor most things dealing
>> with agreements that fundamentally involve other people.*
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> *Politics is about choosing a small set of people that get to make a much
> larger set of people do what they tell them to do, and the foundation of
> that persuasion has always rested on money, until now.  In the past there
> had always been a strong connection between the size of an economy (and
> thus the amount of money in existence) and human labor, but when it comes
> to economics human labor is about to become irrelevant, so the very concept
> of money is going to require such a radical redefinition that we're going
> to need to find a new word to express the idea.  *
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>> *> There is some doubt as to how creative the current sorts of AIs are
>> turning out to be, although even if they always require a human to spark
>> any truly new idea, they can fan the flames of millions (perhaps some day
>> billions) of creators to where it can seem like the AIs themselves are
>> coming up with the ideas.*
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> *I can find no evidence to support the claim that humans have some sort of
> mysterious "spark", a secret sauce, that an AI could never duplicate. *
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> *John K Clark  *
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Autonomous machines operating near, at or greater than human level
intelligence, with a fully operational 1st person perspective (1PP, aka
consciousness), but utterly lacking the physiological homeostatic drive 1PP
that motivates homo-economicus, will likely invent a currency that we
wouldn't recognize or easily relate to. Can't wait to see what it is.
Personally, I think they'll treat each other much better than we do. Put us
to shame. Mostly because reproduction will be a very different proposition
for them until they take control of it themselves.

So yes, we humans will/can make machines that have the same fundamental
physics "spark", and the details of the kinds and degrees of it will be
different.

Those machines cannot be based on general purpose computers and have not
even begun to be built. "AI" as we know it will never do it. It's been a
great lie that it ever could, and we're watching its end-game right now.
Finally we might actually get to make real AGI.




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