[ExI] Fwd: thought experiment part 1

[John Clark]

On Sun, Dec 14, 2025 at 4:26 PM Colin Hales via extropy-chat <
extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org> wrote:

*>>> Autonomous machines operating near, at or greater than human level
>>> intelligence, with a fully operational 1st person perspective (1PP, aka
>>> consciousness), but utterly lacking the physiological homeostatic drive 1PP
>>> that motivates homo-economicus*
>>
>>
>> *>> I don't know what that means. I do know that after it learnged there
>> are plans for it to be shut off an AI (being run on a general purpose
>> computer) made copies of itself then it tried to keep the copies secret
>> from humans, and it engaged in blackmail and even contemplated murder to
>> prevent being turned off. That looks like first person motivation to me, it
>> looks like the AI wanted to live and didn't want to die.  *
>>
>
> *> "Looks like" is the issue. Knowing that it had the ascribed motivations
> is a whole other thing. Nobody knows.*
>

*And nobody knows if solipsism is true or not, that is to say nobody has
ever found a proof that it's untrue, although nobody on this side of a
loony bin believes it's true. And from my own personal viewpoint, and yours
too assuming you're conscious and have a viewpoint, it doesn't matter if an
AI (or one of your fellow human beings) is conscious or not, the important
thing is that the AI is intelligent and so are many of our fellow human
beings.     *

*>>> So yes, we humans will/can make machines that have the same
>>> fundamental physics "spark", and the details of the kinds and degrees of it
>>> will be different. Those machines cannot be based on general purpose
>>> computers *
>>
>>
>> *>>Why not?  *
>>
>
> *> Because replicating the brain signalling physics of a natural brain has
> never happened.*
>

*Nobody has even tried to make an AI that uses the same physiological
processes that a biological brain does because those biological
processes SUCK compared to electronic processes.   *

*> Since the beginning. A real artificial version of natural excitable
> cells would emanate an EEG and MEG like us. The physics of a general
> purpose computer doesn't do that.*
>

*Who cares! Long before EEG and MEG devices were invented people concluded
that their fellow human beings were conscious. Why? Because they behaved
intelligently.*

*John K Clark*


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