[ExI] Do you have a secret family pass phrase?

Thu Jan 9 21:02:37 UTC 2025

I am 99-100% genetically Mormon. All my ancestors crossed the plains
in covered wagons except those that used handcarts. I went on an LDS
mission and knocked on a number of doors. Sadly, I was relatively
successful baptising over 70 people, mostly in Brazil. Mormonism was
hot there in the 80s. So if anyone here has the gene you are speaking
of, it's likely me.

This makes me feel better when I'm swindled.

It also makes me worry about my thoughts on transhumanism and the
singularity. Isn't this all also rather cult-like behavior? Freezing
our heads and such? I have to process such thoughts to be sure my
genetics aren't getting the best of me.

-Kelly

On Fri, Dec 27, 2024 at 9:37 AM Keith Henson via extropy-chat
<extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org> wrote:
>
> On Fri, Dec 27, 2024 at 3:55 AM efc--- via extropy-chat
> <extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org> wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > On Thu, 26 Dec 2024, Keith Henson wrote:
> >
> > > On Thu, Dec 26, 2024 at 2:56 AM efc--- via extropy-chat
> > > <extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org> wrote:
> > >>
> > >> On Wed, 25 Dec 2024, Keith Henson wrote:
> > >>
> > >>> The scientology cult tried this on me some years ago.  It did not
> > >>> work, but it came close.
> > >>
> > >> I have memories of those weirdoes.
> > >
> > > https://www.academia.edu/37893481/Sex_Drugs_and_Cults_An_evolutionary_psychology_perspective_on_why_and_how_cult_memes_get_a_drug_like_hold_on_people_and_what_might_be_done_to_mitigate_the_effects
> > >
> > > I tangled with them originally over their attempt to censor the net.
> > >
> > > After a short time, I started to wonder what was wrong with these
> > > people.  At about the same time I discovered evolutionary psychology
> > > In short, humans have evolved vulnerabilities to attention.  There is
> > > a sound evolutionary reason why people are highly rewarded by
> > > attention. Status is more or less integrated attention, and high
> > > status (at least in males) makes you more likely to be an ancestor.
> > > For some people, attention is as addicting as drugs.  And cults
> > > provide attention.
> >
> > Makes a lot of sense. How hard is it to change these innate tendencies and
> > behaviours?
>
> Consider the problems people have with addictive drugs.  Hard,
> sometimes impossible.  People do age out of this class of behavior.
> This makes sense, reproductive related behavior declines in importance
> as people get older.
>
> Eventually, MAGA will be considered a cult.  It's not new, the US has
> been swept with this general class of memes before.
>
> I suspect there is a big genetic component.  The Mormons trawled
> through Europe for those susceptible to cult memes.  Among the
> scientology cult members, my observation is that people with a Mormon
> background are overrepresented.
>
> Keith
>
> > > Keith
> > >
> > >> The first time I visited New York, I
> > >> must have been 11 or so, they had this tradition of having a TV on the
> > >> side walk. Being from sweden, I'd never seen that before and stopped to watch.
> > >>
> > >> After a few second some guy came up and started to talk with me, and soon
> > >> my father saw that and came to the rescue. Very weird people!
> > >>
> > >> The only recruiters I've met the past 2 decades are Jehovas witnesses
> > >> (they sent 3 photo models to my home early on a sunday morning.) and
> > >> mormons. The mormons often seem more afraid of me, than I of them, when we
> > >> start to discuss philosophy and they soon tire of the conversation. ;)
> > >>
> > >>> Keith
> > >>>
> > >>> On Wed, Dec 25, 2024 at 1:43 PM efc--- via extropy-chat
> > >>> <extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org> wrote:
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>> On Wed, 25 Dec 2024, BillK via extropy-chat wrote:
> > >>>>
> > >>>>> It only takes three seconds of audio content for AI to clone someone’s
> > >>>>> voice. And one call from a scammer to trick you into thinking a
> > >>>>> ‘friend’ needs money.
> > >>>>> Scammers will often use a method called spoofing, which is when they
> > >>>>> make a call or text look like it’s coming from someone you know.
> > >>>>> AI is making it too easy to fake videos, phone calls or texts.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Actually I don't. The most common attack vector (currently) when it comes
> > >>>> to scams is to trick old people into using their digital ID:s to confirm
> > >>>> money transfers.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> I've forbidden my father to use digital ID, and only use the traditional
> > >>>> method of walking down to the bank office and physically show them his ID,
> > >>>> so should anyone try a scam, he is first of all very suspicious, and
> > >>>> second of all, nothing can be done by phone, and third, there's a natural
> > >>>> cool off period since he had to walk to the bank, and finally, I and the
> > >>>> bank will also have opportunities to say something.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> When it comes to my wife and I, just the question of any transfers of any
> > >>>> kind would raise suspicion instantly so no code word there either.
> > >>>>
> > >>>>> BillK
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> ---------------------------
> > >>>>> You need to create a secret password with your family
> > >>>>> written by Elijah       December 25, 2024
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> <https://whatsnew2day.com/you-need-to-create-a-secret-password-with-your-family/>
> > >>>>> Quotes:
> > >>>>> There have been increasing calls for people, and particularly
> > >>>>> families, to create passphrases or passwords for each other. In early
> > >>>>> December, the FBI issued a recommendation that people create a “secret
> > >>>>> word or phrase with their family to verify their identity,” and
> > >>>>> British bank Starling has also published guidelines on how to create
> > >>>>> safe phrases with other people. It’s a simple, if not new, approach
> > >>>>> that can be potentially effective. For example, if you receive a
> > >>>>> message or call from your “son” or “daughter” urgently asking for
> > >>>>> money to get out of a tight spot, asking them to provide a previously
> > >>>>> agreed-upon passphrase can reveal whether it is really them.
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