[ExI] Google’s Willow Quantum Chip: Proof of the Multiverse?

[Adrian Tymes]

On Mon, Nov 10, 2025 at 3:29 PM John Clark <johnkclark at gmail.com> wrote:
> Yeah but don't expect me to defend Superdeterminism! I think it's just about the most idiotic idea conceivable.

I don't think either of us is convincing the other.  The point of this
discussion is thus the audience.

>> In some cases this was due to measurement error.
>
> Yes that happened in some cases, but in other cases there was no measurement error.

Thus why I said "some cases", not "all cases".

>> In some cases, it was eventually discovered that there had been a hidden dependence
>
> Yes that happened in some cases, but in other cases there was no hidden dependency. Things were just weird. And that was experimentally proven by Alain Aspect, John  Clauser, and Anton Zeilinger, and that's why they received the Nobel prize for physics in 2022.

IIRC, they proved no dependencies that could have been generated after
the experiment was set up and they were measuring things.

> Maybe somebody will come up with a better idea tomorrow but so far only two explanations have been found for the bizarre outcome of certain experiments, just two:
>
> 1) Superdeterminism, which is idiotic.
> 2) Many Worlds, which is slightly less idiotic.

I thought those were just two of the most prominent, but that there
were others...?

> There is one thing we know for certain, whatever the true nature of reality turns out to be it's going to be counterintuitive and weird, very very weird.

On this we agree - at least, counterintuitive and weird from our
current point of view.  I am reminded of doctors discussing
sanitization before the advent of germ theory: quite a few were highly
opposed.

> It doesn't matter how far back that hidden dependency goes, go infinitely far if you like, but it won't help. As John Bell proved when he derived his inequality, if we ignore superdeterminism (as we should!) then the only way that hidden factors, that is to say something that particles can access but we cannot, could produce the experimental results that we see is if it turns out that mathematicians have been wrong for millennia and that 2/3 is actually larger than 3/4. Do you think that is likely?

I think it is likely that you ignore superdeterminism, and see
weirdness resulting from trying to ignore it.