[ExI]  Google’s Willow Quantum Chip: Proof of the Multiverse?
    Jason Resch 
    jasonresch at gmail.com
       
    Mon Oct 13 04:27:05 UTC 2025
    
    
  
On Sun, Oct 12, 2025, 10:14 PM Adrian Tymes via extropy-chat <
extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org> wrote:
> On Sun, Oct 12, 2025 at 6:12 PM Jason Resch via extropy-chat
> <extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org> wrote:
> > I'm sorry I am not following. How is it you are proposing the universe
> rigs up the photons to have the right polarizations to provide the expected
> statistics, when setting the polarizer filters to match the digits of
> sqrt(19)?
>
> It doesn't - and it doesn't have to.
>
> Please stop trying to claim that superposition means the universe
> takes conscious, intelligent action.  It does not mean that.
>
I'm not claiming that. It is an implication of superdeterminism that the
universe actively works to thwart any attempt to catch it. If you don't
like that implication, then you should reject superdeterminism.
> Have you ever sat at a campfire and counted the number of crackling
> sounds it makes per minute?  This crackling rate depends on how far
> along the fire is, the type and moisture of the wood, and other
> factors - but not any conscious decision by the fire itself.  It's
> very much not a steady metronome, but for the same characteristics (of
> wood, fire stage, et al) you'll get about the same rate of crackles.
> Likewise, for the same properties of light source, you'll get the same
> range of polarizations - on average - without the universe consciously
> causing it.
>
The correlations observed provably (by Bell) cannot be explained by hidden
variables set at the time of the photons production, unless you go so far
as to propose the photons (or what creates them) somehow know exactly how
they will later be measured at both locations. But the decisions of how
they would be measured can be made outside the light cone of the photon
pair production, so there can be no causal link between when the photons
are created and when the decision for how to measure them is made. Unless,
you say that *somehow* everything was prearranged such that all the events
that would eventually lead to how you as a human would decide to make the
measurements was already factored into the creation of every photon pair
you would ever measure. And moreover: the stastics of those hidden
variables will be just such as what are necessary to fool you into thinking
the universe is operating according to Bell inequality exceeding
statistics, which suggests no hidden variables, when in reality really it
is hidden variables, but with hidden variables hand-crafted to fool you.
And no matter how clever you are in arranging how to make the measurements,
in making it depend.on something non physical, in changing your mind while
the photons are outside your light cone, in changing your mind on a whim at
the last second before the photon arrives, nothing works. The photon's
creation process is always able to out guess and out predict your every
future move.
Do you understand why I find this explanation incredibly strange?
Jason
> If you mean, how did that range come to be?  That's emergent
> properties from prior states, but if you want a root cause there isn't
> one, any more than there being a root cause for the speed of light
> being what it is.
>
> _______________________________________________
> extropy-chat mailing list
> extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org
> http://lists.extropy.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/extropy-chat
>
-------------- next part --------------
An HTML attachment was scrubbed...
URL: <http://lists.extropy.org/pipermail/extropy-chat/attachments/20251013/15ad0fa9/attachment.htm>
    
    
More information about the extropy-chat
mailing list