[ExI] A Realistic Scenario of AI Takeover - Minute-By-Minute

[John Clark]

On Tue, Oct 21, 2025 at 9:13 AM Adrian Tymes via extropy-chat <
extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org> wrote:

*>They said "everyone dies".  "Everyone" means "everyone", not "every human
> on earth who is important in this matter". *
>

*They said "everyone is online or is trackable online" and that is
equivalent to  "every human on earth who is important in this matter".*

* > Being smarter is not omniscience.*


 *True it doesn't mean that, but it does mean something, it means you can't
outsmart it.  *


> *> Even ants can get around human eradication attempts at times*


*Yeah and you could say the same thing about the Covid virus, but that
doesn't mean it is intelligent and it certainly doesn't mean it has
outsmarted us.  *


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> *> They postulate that the AI is interested in upgrading itself, which
> seems fair.  They also postulate that the AI thinks and cares quite a bit
> about the means of upgrading itself.*
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*Yes.*

*> humans might have further upgrades they can give.*

*Not if the AI is better at doing AI research than the entire human race
combined, and it's only a matter of time before it will be. *


> * >> I read the book the video was based on and the book did comment about
>> that. It said that if any rogue nation was constructing a building that
>> would contain more than 8 State of the art (as of 2025) Nvidia GPUs then
>> the other nations of the world should unite and use any means necessary, up
>> to and including nuclear weapons, to prevent the construction of that
>> building from being finished. Their reasoning was that a nuclear war would
>> kill billions of people but it wouldn't cause the extinction of the human
>> race, but an AI takeover would. They admit there is very little likelihood
>> of the world uniting in that way and that is why they are so pessimistic.*
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> * > Uh huh.   - or if an AI uses multiple such buildings?*
>

*Yeah.  *


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> * > Also, what about arcades with more than 8 machines, each one of
> which has its own state-of-the-art GPU?*


*I don't know, they didn't mention video arcades so you'll have to ask them
because it is NOT my recommendation. Maybe they would say it would be
allowed but only if it was under constant surveillance 24-7 to make sure no
AI was going on, or maybe they would say video arcades would be outlawed.*

*> And what happens if 8 turns out to be enough for such an AI to kickstart
> itself*


*The answer to that is easy, then we are cooked. You're giving me reasons
why you think their proposed solution won't work and there is some validity
in what you say, but it doesn't refute their central proposition that if
anybody builds it everybody dies. *

*John K Clark*



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