[ExI] Seemingly Conscious AI Is Coming

[Brent Allsop]

Hi Adrian.

No, there are 3 different ways to eff the ineffable nature of qualities
<https://docs.google.com/document/d/1JKwACeT3b1bta1M78wZ3H2vWkjGxwZ46OHSySYRWATs/edit?tab=t.0>
.

We can describe everything in the brain, but a description doesn't tell you
what it is like.  Something in the brain is behaving the way it does
because of its redness quality.  We just need to observe the brain in a non
qualia blind way, and match up these descriptions of stuff in the brain
with how we can subjectively directly apprehend them.  For example, it is
possible that glutamate behaves the way it does, because of its redness
quality.  The prediction is that if this is demonstrated to be the case,
glutamate will have the same elemental subjective quality for everyone.

Oh, and remember, many people always think that I must be Adrian, to know
what redness is like for Adrean.  But this is talking about the
composite qualia level.  I'm only talking about an elemental
quality level.  When Adrean and Brent experience redness, there is lots of
other information, memories, and such subjectively bound into the
composite quality experience.  But These composite experiences are built
out of elemental qualities, and my elemental redness will be the same for
everyone.











On Wed, Sep 17, 2025 at 7:15 AM Adrian Tymes via extropy-chat <
extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org> wrote:

> On Wed, Sep 17, 2025 at 9:11 AM Brent Allsop via extropy-chat
> <extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org> wrote:
> > But AI systems aren't yet designed to be like anything (i.e. they are
> engineered to use words like 'red', instead of qualities like redness to
> represent knowledge of red things), right?
>
> The existence, or lack of existence, inside an AI of an internal
> "quality" to define concepts such as redness seems to be an unprovable
> conjecture, much like the existence or lack of existence of souls.
>
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