[ExI] Seemingly Conscious AI Is Coming

Wed Sep 17 18:44:27 UTC 2025

>…> On Behalf Of Brent Allsop via extropy-chat

Subject: Re: [ExI] Seemingly Conscious AI Is Coming

>>…Good, Adrian, now I want to experiment with that.  I want the liar-bot to train me in how to deal with the classics, such as "Do these pants make by butt look fat?" and such eternal moral dilemmas.  spike

>…Loudly laughing!!!  Brent

Ja sure Brent, you laugh.  But I know what you’re thinking, and I agree.  I would laugh at me too, but AFTER a successfully escaping danger.

So how do you married fellers deal with that?  Do you go with a kinda sorta technically true but possibly misleading “Why no, my dear,” full stop, say not one more word, while your mind is thinking something along the lines of “…because it is your literal buttocks doing that, not the pantaloons.” 

As that thought passes thru your most inner being, the jaw is still and quiet.  The helpless prey sits perfectly motionless, like the newborn fawn, while the lioness stalks past, failing to notice his presence.

Alternate strategy, you can go with the more deceptive but possibly safer path of feigning an epileptic seizure.  If that one is already worn out and she is not falling for it (considering the negative diagnosis for epilepsy by a team of licensed neurologists and the MRI scans, after the last three times you played that card) you can go with another old tried and true strategy, the sudden and explosive “AH SHIT!  I forgot to… {make damn sure you can think of something on one second notice that sounds convincing} mow the law… eh…I mean… get the mai… eh… fix my motorcy…”

Have something, ANYTHING that could plausibly pass as something really important and timely that you just forgot to do, and consequently you must bolt from that room in sheer panic immediately, flee in all directions at once, perform that critical task forthwith if not sooner.  Otherwise… you. are.  busted.

Adrian, you are the most recently wed among any of us.  Take it from your well-meaning elders, me lad, those of us who have participated in holy matrimony for over 4 decades, still with the same bride or partner (not the usually shorter-lived variety sometimes referred to as holy schlaMOLY matrimony) for we all wish you well, my son.

She isn’t really asking about pants or even butts exactly.  She is signaling something else entirely, which come to think of it, is its own brand of feminine deception, but go with it, work with it, for our moral calculus somehow hands the female of our benighted species a license to deceive to some extent, which is much of why our benighted species still exists.  But a more limited version of that same license extends on out to us fellers.  They lie, we know they lie, they know we know they know lie, but we lie too, and they know we lie, and we know they know, etc.  We accept it, we embrace it.  I call it evolutionary abnormal psychology.  Hey it works.  Offspring are offsprung.  

Andrian, do understand that under certain limited circumstances, if you just need to bend the truth, the truth will understand.

spike  

On Wed, Sep 17, 2025 at 11:33 AM spike jones via extropy-chat <extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org <mailto:extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org> > wrote:

...> On Behalf Of Adrian Tymes via extropy-chat

Subject: Re: [ExI] Seemingly Conscious AI Is Coming

>>... Brent Allsop via extropy-chat <extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org <mailto:extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org> > wrote:
> Of course you can engineer an AI system to lie, but I've never met one that does.

>...I've seen quite a few.  Grok, for instance, was famously tweaked to lie on certain topics not so long ago.
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