[ExI] Eliezer new book is out now

[Darin Sunley]

If I wasn't already pretty solidly convinced that our entire present and
future light cone was already under the complete control of a massively
transhuman power, I'd be very concerned.

On Tue, Sep 23, 2025, 10:54 AM Keith Henson via extropy-chat <
extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org> wrote:

> On Tue, Sep 23, 2025 at 6:53 AM Giulio Prisco via extropy-chat
> <extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org> wrote:
> >
> > My very critical review of Eliezer Yudkowsky's recently published
> > book. Title of my review: Sorry Mr. Yudkowsky, we'll build it and
> > everything will be fine.
>
> Maybe.  We don't know.
>
> I suspect that biological humans could go extinct with nobody dying in
> the process.
>
> See "The Clinic Seed" story for how it could come about.
>
> Keith
> >
> https://magazine.mindplex.ai/post/sorry-mr-yudkowsky-well-build-it-and-everything-will-be-fine
> >
> > On Mon, Sep 22, 2025 at 8:00 PM Adrian Tymes via extropy-chat
> > <extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org> wrote:
> > >
> > > On Mon, Sep 22, 2025 at 12:12 PM spike jones via extropy-chat
> > > <extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org> wrote:
> > > > We figured out at the time that his last tear attitude was a kind of
> resignation, accepting the notion way back then that if anyone builds it,
> everyone dies.  And someone will build it eventually.  Hell we have entire
> divisions of the military working on it (very thinly disguised under the
> name "Space Force" perhaps (heh, ja sure, Space Force (that's so hard to
> figure out (whaddya gonna do in space that you can't do better down here?
> (have satellites dogfight each other?  (sheesh of course that is your most
> secret military research (and of course it is AI.))))))
> > >
> > > Did you put that aside there for me to comment on? :P
> > >
> > > It is correct to observe that a large portion of the Space Force would
> > > be better termed the Cyber Force, with little connection to space
> > > except that cyber attacks against satellites are perceived to be much
> > > cheaper to attempt (and thus, some argue, much more likely to be
> > > experienced and need defending against) than anything physical.  This
> > > ignores the fact that, unlike for physical defenses where you can only
> > > ever make it more expensive to break through but sufficient force will
> > > overcome, there are ways to 100% shut down certain avenues of cyber
> > > attacks in ways that no amount of force on the attackers' side - at
> > > least, via that specific avenue - can overcome.  (I am reminded of the
> > > XKCD comic where people go on about the strength of encryption,
> > > ignoring practical avenues to get the keys and thus bypass
> > > encryption.)
> > >
> > > But, yes, there is some attention being paid to the prospect of,
> > > literally, satellites dogfighting - specifically, maneuvering around
> > > each other while exchanging payloads meant to disable or destroy the
> > > other.  Some of the Golden Dome stuff is about developing ways for
> > > satellites or missiles to do this to missiles (which won't be firing
> > > back, but will be moving fast and attempting to evade long enough to
> > > reach their destinations).
> > >
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