[ExI] Spotify's Attempt to Fight AI Slop Music Fails

[Ben Zaiboc]

On 27/09/2025 16:46, spike at rainier66.com wrote:
> Ben, this isn't really about your comment, but it reminded me of a fond
> memory.  My cousin came from across the country to visit me.  She is a very
> talented artist, the kind who is good enough to make a living at it, her
> whole life.  She has a technical four year college degree which she got on
> full scholarship, but never had a 9 to 5 as far as I know.  Always an
> artist, primarily a painter, but also pencils and pastels.
>
> She had a choice of a jillion things to do, but she wanted to go to some
> biggie art museum in San Francisco.  OK.  We walked around the place, she
> stopped at one particular painting, stared at it for several minutes.  We
> went on, she went back to that one, stared, we went on again, covered the
> whole place, went to lunch inside there.  Then she went back to that one
> painting.  There was a bench there, so we sat, while she gazed at that
> painting, studying it.  I couldn't see what was so special about that one,
> but she did.  I wondered what was going on in her mind.  She was wide awake,
> seldom blinking, eyes scanning every detail on that painting.  I am not an
> artist, I have no art in my home.  But she is.  She sat gazing at that one
> painting, saying not one word, as if that painting had her hypnotized or
> something.  I went to the restroom, came back, she hadn't moved a muscle.
> That third visit to that painting lasted for what I think was dang near half
> an hour.  Then she abruptly said OK, we can go now if you have seen what you
> wanted to see.
>
> We left.  Went home and started sketching in her book.
>
> I am a musician.  I can hear stuff in music that most  people cannot hear.
> My artist cousin can see things in art that I cannot see.  I don't know how
> the heck that works.
>
> I don't know how we teach AI to do whatever the heck was going on in her
> mind that day.
>
> spike

If you accept that one day artificial minds will exist that are every 
bit as conscious, self-aware, etc., as we are (and more)(which I think 
the majority of us here do, I certainly do), then the answer is easy: We 
won't 'teach' them, they will learn, the same way we do, but probably 
much more efficiently. So however your artistic cousin learned to do 
what she does, the same process will be available to artificial minds.
That's just a start, though, because they should be capable of analysing 
and replicating the relevant neural machinery in our heads, and figure 
lots of things out that way too. Perhaps there's one or more algorithms 
that your cousin uses that could be copied and distributed to whichever 
artificial minds want to be artists of that sort. If her ability is more 
of an inborn 'talent' than a learned thing (a whole can of worms 
there!), replicating the neural structures should do the trick.
Then, of course, they will be able to unravel and figure out the neural 
structures, improve on the algorithms, and become the kind of artists 
that we can't even imagine.

(And that's just for art. Apply the same thinking to science, 
engineering, mathematics, philosophy, politics, economics, sport, etc., 
etc...)

If you're talking about the pale shadows of AI we have today, then I 
dunno. They probably can't be taught this kind of thing. Maybe they can 
figure something out, though, much like AI systems learned to play 
Starcraft better than any human.

I wonder if anyone has asked one of the existing AI systems to 
collaborate with other AI systems to come up with original art? Or some 
similar open-ended goal? That might be interesting (or not, given their 
regurgitative nature).
Do any of them work with other AIs? or is that kind of thing guarded 
against? Anyone know?

-- 
Ben
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