[ExI] I'd kill for a Nobel peace prize

[Brent Allsop]

Hi Mike,
As always I appreciate all the feedback, as I like knowing what others
think, even If I value something different.  (why I created canonizer)
Help me understand what you mean by some of this:

On Mon, Jan 19, 2026 at 7:59 PM Mike Dougherty via extropy-chat <
extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org> wrote:

> On Mon, Jan 19, 2026, 8:14 PM Adrian Tymes via extropy-chat <
> extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org> wrote:
>
>> Why should anyone think he would care about that petition?
>>
>> On Mon, Jan 19, 2026, 5:29 PM Brent Allsop via extropy-chat <
>> extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> We started a petition to fight this:
>>>
>>
> Ouch. Did you mean to sound like that?
>

Are you referring to the "We started a petition to fight this" or the text
of the petition camp statement
<https://canonizer.com/topic/1590-Should-the-US-Acquire-Greenland/2-Urge-President-Donald-Trump-to-Cease-Pursuit-of-Acquiring-Greenland?is_tree_open=0>
?
Incidentally, it was authored by Grok, and I thought it was great.



>
> Granted, fighting via a petition is probably as effective as collectively
> giving a disapproving look... but even hosting a place for the like-minded
> in-group to note their position is more than I have done.
>

This is more than  just a petition.  With traditional petitions, there is
no room for any other POV, and no ability for the statement to improve.
But canonizer has room for anyone with a different POV (they can create a
competing camp).  Being able to track the comparative support each side has
is very powerful information for any kind of governance.

And to me, consensus is all powerful. and the way all moral governance
should work.
IF you can achieve consensus (Admittedly, a big IF) you can override
constitutions, blockchins, dictators, mad kings, traditions...  Everything.
And canonizer is all about modifying the camp statement till you capture
what everyone wants and get everyone on board.  You can see and focus on
what converts people rather than all the snarky bleats and tweets that
polarize people.

People on both sides, putin included, are always saying they are doing what
the people want, which they can do since nobody knows for sure.  But if
they could know concicely and quantitativerly, that would solve a whole lot
of problems and causes for war.

And of course being able to build and track how much expert consensus there
is the key to good theoretical science.


Oh, and thanks John, for signing the petition
<https://canonizer.com/topic/1590-Should-the-US-Acquire-Greenland/2-Urge-President-Donald-Trump-to-Cease-Pursuit-of-Acquiring-Greenland?is_tree_open=0>
.





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